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@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.


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#1 Fulcrum

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 12:30 PM

It's finally done!

Originally written for this thread - http://www.allspark....showtopic=11598
The script is here - http://www.allspark....showtopic=23983

With much, much MUCH thanks to Dissever, who's awesome art carried my slightly bombastic, monologue heavy script. This is a slightly lower quality version due to Allspart attachment file restraints. Enjoy!

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I'm gonna go off on a limb and say Shipwreck is the most dangerous man on the GIJoe team, what with the constant-threat to the sacred and holy institution of red-blooded American marriage he and his kind represent.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 12:34 PM

*squeal*

Wow, this turned out lovely, Mark. <3 I love it! I want to print this sucker out and hang it up on my wall. I can't believe it's finally over, I feel like a dork for taking so long to get the art finished, heh. :>

Edited by Dissever, 20 August 2007 - 12:35 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 12:36 PM

Oh yes! I completely and utterly love it, writing and art.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 01:29 PM

I like it. I love fancomics. I just freaking love em!

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 02:01 PM

indeed it is fanTAStic.


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Posted 20 August 2007 - 02:02 PM

Beautifully written, drawn and colored! I absolutely love it!

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 02:04 PM

Aww, Ravage looks so sad on dead Soundwave!

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 04:42 PM

Holy Crap! That is some badass stuff Fulcrum! You are really talented to have come up with this! I especially how beautifully written it is. Bob Forward would be proud like crazy if he saw this!

Wonderful job man! Wonderful Job!

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 05:52 PM

*Applauds* Wonderful! Just awesome. I'm glad that you have been able to finish such a nice piece.

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 05:56 PM

Beautiful. Truly Beautiful.
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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:00 PM

Great Job Fulcrum, It was well written

And as Always Dissever shows her ability to take nothing but descriptions and turn them into amazing drawings. A true artist with a great imagination.

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#12 MrBlud

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 07:56 PM

Indeed, I love when the fan community pulls together and releases stuff like this.

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 12:06 AM

That's beautiful.
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 02:10 AM

ah

that was so awesome

the artwork was really great. awesomely accurate and tremendously well done. the shading is just gorgeous. i love that stuff.

you should submit this to the Mosaic project thing and get it printed in the back of some IDW comics icon-fire.gif
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#15 Fulcrum

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 03:27 AM

QUOTE(God Fire Convoy @ Aug 21 2007, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you should submit this to the Mosaic project thing and get it printed in the back of some IDW comics icon-fire.gif


How would we go about doing such a thing? icon-hotrod.gif (Also, I think it'd have to be rescanned and colored for print, since the individual frames are only 72 DPI)


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I'm gonna go off on a limb and say Shipwreck is the most dangerous man on the GIJoe team, what with the constant-threat to the sacred and holy institution of red-blooded American marriage he and his kind represent.

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 04:24 AM

QUOTE(Fulcrum @ Aug 21 2007, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(God Fire Convoy @ Aug 21 2007, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you should submit this to the Mosaic project thing and get it printed in the back of some IDW comics icon-fire.gif


How would we go about doing such a thing? icon-hotrod.gif (Also, I think it'd have to be rescanned and colored for print, since the individual frames are only 72 DPI)


I've already passed on the link to the Mosaic guys Fulcrum. Will keep you updated!

#17 Fulcrum

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 07:33 AM

QUOTE(Drivaaar @ Aug 21 2007, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Fulcrum @ Aug 21 2007, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(God Fire Convoy @ Aug 21 2007, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you should submit this to the Mosaic project thing and get it printed in the back of some IDW comics icon-fire.gif


How would we go about doing such a thing? icon-hotrod.gif (Also, I think it'd have to be rescanned and colored for print, since the individual frames are only 72 DPI)


I've already passed on the link to the Mosaic guys Fulcrum. Will keep you updated!


Awesome, thanks! We're already making plans for a 300 DPI version.

Edited by Fulcrum, 21 August 2007 - 07:33 AM.


QUOTE("X-BoB58")
I'm gonna go off on a limb and say Shipwreck is the most dangerous man on the GIJoe team, what with the constant-threat to the sacred and holy institution of red-blooded American marriage he and his kind represent.

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 09:03 AM

Absolutely amazing. icon-silverbolt.gif

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 01:33 PM

So pretty! You two did an awesome job! The colors are perfect! icon-hotrod.gif icon-hotrod.gif
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 05:54 PM

FANTASTIC!!!

Great work to all those involved, I love seeing TF fans come together to produce qualitiy stuff.

BTW, I'm one of the guys behind the Mosaic project and look forward to talking to Fulcrum and Disserver about this piece.

Furthermore, if anyone else is interested in participating in the Mosaic project, all are welcome. Just send me an email at transformers.mosaic@gmail.com

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