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#1 Octavius Prime

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 05:56 AM

Hey everyone, I've been reading some of the movie reviews up on Metacritic and one thing I noticed pointed out by a few of the reviewers was a disdain for Prime's motto. Here's one example:

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All this fantasyland hoo-ha is balanced by scenes in which the Decepticons attack an American military base in Qatar and are mistaken for terrorists. Although clearly played for thrills, it's difficult to watch these scenes without thinking that the real world has crept into the playpen. And when Optimus Prime, the chief good Transformer, declares that "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings," we know we're in a Bush-era universe.


Yet another review also declares the line to be indicative of a "Bush-era universe", as if Bay wrote the line himself (and also assuming that Bay is a hard-core conservative. He works in Hollywood, people. He may support the military, but he almost can't be an uber-conservative due to his job).

What bothers me is that not only does this kind of thing seem like more personal attacks on Bay (which are out of place in any decent publication's reviews), but if the reviewers had done maybe 10 minutes of online research (say, on the Teletraan-1 wikia), they'd know that Prime has been spouting his line since before Bush's dad was president. Moreover, what is so bad about freedom being a basic right? Isn't that in the hugging Declaration of Independence? What is so quintessentially "Bush" about it?

Anyway, rant over. Weigh in if you care to.

Edited by Octavius Prime, 08 July 2007 - 05:56 AM.


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Posted 08 July 2007 - 06:05 AM

Pretty much a case of people shooting words off before doing proper research, and an annoyingly over-liberal mindset. I mean, I don't care for Bush, to put it lightly, but I also don't wedge my political views into whatever I type/write. It's very unprofessional.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 07:23 AM

Was it written by a critic or one of the users?

Mind saying which one, so I can read the whole thing
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 07:29 AM

my google-fu is strong with this one.

http://www.csmonitor...25s01-almo.html

(just copy a part of the quoted text then search it with quotations around the words to find it)

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 07:38 AM

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The contest between adolescent innocence and nefariousness of the adult world, as embodied here by the bad bot Decepticons who rain terror on Earth


Huh? Digging for hidden meaning much?

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The Decepticons and the Autobots, who ravaged their planet, Cybertron, in a civil war, are duking it out for possession of an all-powerful cube called Allspark, which crash-landed in the Arctic generations ago when Sam's great-grandfather came in contact with it.


.....Seriously, did he watch this movie, or have someone else watch it for him and relate it to him?

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(If ever there was a live-action movie that cried out for the style of Japanese anime, this is it.)


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Posted 08 July 2007 - 07:42 AM

I can see how that line might be used by the likes of Bush to justify a war like Iraq (the lie that the war is all about human freedom rather than oil). It's an understandable hypothesis by someone ignorant of the history that it's Prime's personal quote.
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 07:57 AM

Technically we were in a Regan-era universe when it
was written, which isn't all that much better...
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#8 Octavius Prime

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 08:08 AM

QUOTE(Stormrave @ Jul 8 2007, 08:42 AM) View Post

I can see how that line might be used by the likes of Bush to justify a war like Iraq (the lie that the war is all about human freedom rather than oil). It's an understandable hypothesis by someone ignorant of the history that it's Prime's personal quote.


Maybe, but I still don't see how the motto that encapsulates democracy would be reduced to represent someone's biased view of the Bush administration.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:11 AM

In one of his State of the Union addresses (can't remember which one), Bush said, "Freedom is the right of all people."

So Bush was channeling Prime, and now Prime is accused of plagiarizing Bush.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:13 AM

I'd be hard pressed to vote for a president who didn't believe in the basic right of freedom.

I mean there's liberal, and then there's blindedly liberal. Gah.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:16 AM

A total knee-jerk reaction. There are people so consumed by hatred for Bush that they can't maintain any semblance of intellectual honesty.
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:19 AM

QUOTE(DarkProwler @ Jul 8 2007, 03:11 PM) View Post

In one of his State of the Union addresses (can't remember which one), Bush said, "Freedom is the right of all people."

So Bush was channeling Prime, and now Prime is accused of plagiarizing Bush.


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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:22 AM

I don't really get why anyone would think that "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is a particularly conservative viewpoint. Definitions of exactly what freedom means may differ within the political spectrum but I don't think you'd find many democrats arguing against freedom as a basic human right.

It was pretty cool to actually hear Prime say that line. Since I can't recall him actually saying it before, but it's been his motto for so long.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:24 AM

Pfffft. Didn't everyone know that freedom is nobody's right? That we have rights is a Neocon lie.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:28 AM

You know, I'm about as liberal as folk get, and I live in San Francisco! But jeez, this guy has a problem with FREEDOM? Even if Bush said that, it's one of the few things I'd agree with that he has said...

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:29 AM

He also apparently missed the fact that Prime said that in defense of his stance to NOT HARM HUMANS and to destroy the Allspark before it could be used against the humans. The CONTEXT of said line was important, not that it was similar to something that Bush said.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:43 AM

Although seeing a debate where one of the candidates objected to freedom would be rather fun.

"Now my opponent, ladies and gentlemen, actually believes in the foolish and antiquated notion that intelligent beings somehow should have rights to freedom. Well I'm here to let you know that I do not in any way keep to such outdated and absurd beliefs. Under my leadership none of you shall ever have to make your own choices again. Your every move, your every act shall be mapped out by my government and you can feel secure in the knowledge that you'll never suffer the stresses of freedom again. If elected I promise to stamp out freedom wherever I find it and I will not stop until every other intelligent being is ground underfoot and recognises me as their rightful lord and master!"

Edited by The New Guy, 08 July 2007 - 09:44 AM.


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Posted 08 July 2007 - 11:22 AM

Someone needs to tell them Bush was doing lines in a motel bathroom when this line first appeared in the TF mythos.
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 11:37 AM

Evidently, the writer must have been taking a piss during the ding-dong scene...



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Posted 08 July 2007 - 01:07 PM

Yeah, exactly. There's so much of this movie that's anti-authority and anti-Bush that it's impossible to take it for propaganda of that kind. I'm thinking he saw 300, got high, then wrote this review.

I can understand why that line could stick out, though, for anyone who didn't know what it was a reference to. That's especially true because it was shoe-horned into the script and emphasized in the way it was. Freedom is everyone's ideal, but it's also one of Bush's appropriated rhetorical buzz-words. It still has nothing to do with the content of the line.



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