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Master Fwiffo
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_20078315

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A 41-year-old high school teacher in Modesto has resigned and moved in with an 18-year-old student.
The reaction has been largely shock, disapproval and betrayal.
The teen's mother has waged a very public campaign on Facebook since last week, when her daughter moved out of the family's home and into a Modesto apartment with the man. He has left his wife and children, one of whom is a junior at the same school, Enochs High.
Modesto police are investigating whether there was inappropriate contact before the girl turned 18 in the fall.
And school district and teachers union officials worry that an ethical and moral line has been crossed, even if the student is legally an adult.
James Hooker was placed on paid administrative leave Feb. 3 by Modesto City Schools and resigned Feb. 22, he said Tuesday. Hooker taught business and computer classes, and he was an adviser to three active campus clubs.
"In making our choice, we've hurt a lot of people," Hooker acknowledged. "We keep asking ourselves, 'Do we make everyone else happy or do we follow our hearts?'"
Hooker and Enochs senior Jordan Powers said Tuesday in an interview at The Bee that they are making a life for themselves "day by day."
Powers was in Hooker's virtual business class and an associated club until his suspension. They said they met when she was a freshman.
Tammie Powers, Jordan's mother, said she believes Hooker pursued her daughter. She said her daughter's grades fell this year, and Jordan had panic attacks.
"I believe it was the stress of the lie," Tammie Powers said. She said her daughter was "always compliant," kept her room tidy at their Waterford home and minded her curfew. No R-rated movies until she was of age. No lone trips to the mall or the movies.
"I was really, really careful. I wanted her to be safe," she said.
"In hindsight, in retrospect, I should have looked at things differently," Powers said.
Powers said her first inkling that her daughter was involved with her teacher came Jan. 16, during her young son's trip to the emergency room. Hooker came to the hospital with her daughter, who left her phone with an older sister.
The sister, suspicious, found dozens of text messages from Hooker. Powers said when she confronted her daughter, she denied any romance existed. Still worried, Powers contacted Modesto police detectives the next day.
Looking back over phone records, she said she found an estimated 8,000 text messages between the teacher and student going back through the summer. In the fall, about 32 texts a day, starting at 6 a.m. were recorded, she said.
School officials contacted her about a week later with concerns, she said. Discussions between police, school and the family continued for another week, ending with Hooker's suspension Feb. 3.
At that point, Powers said, she was assured by school officials that Hooker would stay away, and her daughter said she was done with Hooker.
"She promised me they didn't have contact. I didn't know until last week there was a sexual relationship. We didn't see any of it," Powers said.
Jordan Powers' father died in 2001. Tammie Powers is engaged, and her fiance and one of his children live with them, along with Jordan's younger brother. The mother said her fiance "is horrified, but he's not going to fight with him."
On Facebook, Powers has called Hooker "an arrogant pervert," among other things, and urged readers to "help get the word out" about his involvement with a student.
The hundreds of responses are, for the most part, supportive of her. Many express disbelief.
David Wainwright posted that he sees teacher and student as complicit in the relationship, then added: "I just wouldn't of expected this from my fav teacher. What is the world coming to?"
Modesto City Schools Superintendent Pam Able confirmed Hooker's resignation Tuesday morning.
"Allegations of Mr. Hooker having a relationship with a student is the source of great concern for staff, students and parents. I consider student-teacher dating relationships to be not only unprofessional, but immoral," Able said via e-mail.
Modesto City Schools Board President Ruben Villalobos said Tuesday: "Schools need to be a safe place. Anything less than that is a failure." He said he could not comment on the case, but said in general teacher-student romances are wrong "because of that unequal balance of power."
Such relationships are rare, said Megan Gowans, executive director of the Modesto Teachers Association. She said the union offers training about lines teachers should not cross, even with adult students. "In the teacher-student relationship, there's a professional expectation that doesn't stop at age 18," Gowans said.
Career may be over
Hooker knows his decisions may have cost him his teaching career. He taught business courses for 15 years and advised three campus clubs -- Future Business Leaders of America, Mock Trial Club and Virtual Business Club.
Extra jobs such as the clubs earned Hooker $28,000 in added pay in 2009, the latest figures immediately available. District records show Hooker made $110,537 that year.
Enochs Principal Michael Coats said Tuesday that a new business teacher has been found, and teachers will step in to advise the club teams. Coats has assured parents contacting the school that students in Hooker's classes will get credit for their work.
Hooker said he is forbidden to have contact with the students or staff at Enochs.
Hooker and Jordan Powers said their relationship was strictly teacher-student until mid-December, when they started talking more frequently and then dated. "I just kind of knew that she's the one," he said.
Powers turned 18 on Sept. 5, and Modesto police say that makes her a consenting adult. However, Lt. Rick Armendariz said there is an ongoing investigation involving a high school teacher and student.
Hooker confirmed Tuesday that he remains the object of a police probe. He said he is confident he will be cleared of accusations that any physical relationship started while Powers was a minor.
"There's no evidence of that. There's no proof of that. It didn't exist," Hooker said.
He said the criticism is part of a campaign of lies he and Powers face online and in person. "I've been portrayed as a monster through all of this," Hooker said. "I'm not a monster. I'm not any different than I've always been."
Powers sat quietly by Hooker's side as he spoke Tuesday. She said she is on independent study and doesn't attend classes at Enochs, but intends to graduate and enroll in a four-year college to become a nurse. "I'm walking the stage in May," she said.
Hooker said he hopes to get a job in the private sector. "We're just taking it day by day," he said.


I think this quote really sums up all the problems right here:

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"In making our choice, we've hurt a lot of people," Hooker acknowledged. "We keep asking ourselves, 'Do we make everyone else happy or do we follow our hearts?'"


If you were being honest with yourself, you'd know the answer. You aren't Romeo and Juliet. You're a sick man who abandoned his wife and kids for someone who should have been dating the age of YOUR kid.
TM2-Megatron
argh; talk about a mid-life crisis you won't be able to come back from.
tec
Meh leave thim alone its not like they locked a girl in a basement and starved her.
Monster he is not that destiction belongs to the real monsters in that other thread.

Is it right? Not for us to deside there both adults its there dission to make
age ratio...forget about it..that debate gets you no where.


Should they have waited a little while longer to hook up possibly but whats done is done.
Pennpenn
I can't see the point in getting annoyed by this. I agree with Tec that they are both adults*, it's their choice. Is it a good idea? Maybe not? Probably not? I don't know.

*Legally at least. I don't know her (or him?) to know if they're mature enough mentally for such choices.
CORVUS
Wow. Talk about burning bridges.
Nyarlathotep
Eh, it's love. Dunno if it'll work out, but they're both of legal age!
Fender Bender
The question is whether or not the "love" started BEFORE she was legal age though.
Pennpenn
One point I would caution the lady on, he threw away a lot to be with you... lets just hope the same doesn't happen to you when the novelty wears off.
Dissever
The age of consent in California is 18? Geeeeeeeze.
Pennpenn
In some places the age of consent is 16, though you still don't legally count as an adult (ie. can buy booze) until you're 18. At least, that's how it is here last time I checked.
Nyarlathotep
Oh yeah, it's 16, unless you want to do sodomy, which is...18 for some reason.
Canthros
I find the reticence to condemn this guy as an adultering creep kind of troubling, especially when he's cheating on his wife with a girl that is young enough to be his daughter.

It's not appropriate. Even aside from being a teacher at the girl's school, aside from the disturbing possibility that this started before she was of age, the guy was already married and has kids. He shouldn't be sleeping around, regardless, and abandoning his existing obligations (to his wife, if not necessarily to his kids) reflects very poorly on him.

Whether or not he's a pervert, he's still an bunghole. And I don't understand why this isn't the first thing people conclude.
Rust
I wish I could say I was surprised by this.

I had a Geography Teacher who abandoned his wife and daughter (The latter was in my class) to shack up with a 20 year old. This was after he'd been kicked off the Girls Basketball Team for "inappropriate behavior".

I also had a former co-worker who was 30, living with his 18 year old Girlfriend. They met at his last job when he was a assistant PE Teacher at her high school. He insists the relationship had nothing to do with him leaving that job. Riiiight.


As for the dude talking about "following his heart", I hate to break it to him but his heart isn't located in the groinal regions. He had a family - and he obviously loved his wife enough to marry her in the first place! How about instead of looking for greener (more nubile) pastures, make the effort to appreciate/fix what you've already got?
Pennpenn
QUOTE(Canthros @ Mar 3 2012, 10:17 AM) *
I find the reticence to condemn this guy as an adultering creep kind of troubling, especially when he's cheating on his wife with a girl that is young enough to be his daughter.

It's not appropriate. Even aside from being a teacher at the girl's school, aside from the disturbing possibility that this started before she was of age, the guy was already married and has kids. He shouldn't be sleeping around, regardless, and abandoning his existing obligations (to his wife, if not necessarily to his kids) reflects very poorly on him.

Whether or not he's a pervert, he's still an bunghole. And I don't understand why this isn't the first thing people conclude.


I just kind of took it as read. It's their choice, consequences and all.
Daytonus
Sure, to most of us, it's not appropriate, but I dunno what there's to discuss here. On legal grounds, it may or may not clear...that depends on when the romancing started, and even if it started earlier, if there was nothing sexual involved, I dunno that there's any case there.

It's inappropriate, but the consequences to that include quitting your job/getting fired and the ridicule of others. Which are both happening.

As for being an bunghole...does this make him more of an bunghole than any other guy who leaves his wife? The only reason this matters to anyone is the "creep" factor.
Canthros
QUOTE(Pennpenn @ Mar 3 2012, 10:26 AM) *
I just kind of took it as read.

I suppose I owe a bit of an apology, then. (By way of explanation: silence tends to feel like tacit approval, in the absence of contradictory indicators, and I was probably a little grumpy this morning for unrelated reasons.)

I feel like the only appropriate response to this sort of thing is stern condemnation. I get that they're adults and capable of making decisions, but that's why we let them make decisions and suffer the consequences thereof. Social approbation being one of the consequences of this sort of shenanigan. (And if I think Fwiff goes too far in calling Mr. Hooker 'a sick man', I'm not sure tec's or Hora Hora's responses go very far at all in the right direction.)

*sigh*

I'm gonna go rattle my cane and yell at some kids to get off my lawn.
Zyking
So he threw away his quite successful career making $110K a year, he left his family were loved him both as a spouse and family man, and which btw probably also were relying a lot of his income....only to be together with a 18 year old piece of....tail?

It had to be a 18 year old high school student from his school didn't it.

Why couldn't he just be a part time sugar daddy for some runaway 22 year old stripper/porn actress with daddy issues, like other normal, 40 year old, cheating bungholes?

Not that I condone that either, but...... icon-ball.gif
Rust
Actually, I agree wholeheartedly with you Canthros.

Too many people (And the divorce rate supports this stance) think of marriage as a "On-again-Off-again" thing, and don't bother to put the work in to make it work.

Now to be fair, there are instances where one partner or the other refuses to compromise and that can poison a relationship, but I do feel far too many people just shrug their shoulders and refuse to put in the effort required to maintain it.

Plus, we live in a society where it's seen as okay to have a divorce or two under your belt.

That bugs me.
Copper Bezel
QUOTE(Canthros)
I suppose I owe a bit of an apology, then. (By way of explanation: silence tends to feel like tacit approval, in the absence of contradictory indicators, and I was probably a little grumpy this morning for unrelated reasons.)

I feel like the only appropriate response to this sort of thing is stern condemnation.

Why get excited? It's not even news; it's gossip. A lot of people make stupid choices and have severely messed-up lives. It's a whole hell of a lot of meh for something that we really expect will always be happening on the margins. I mean, this doesn't change. People do this, and we already know it, and the frequency probably doesn't change much over time. Certainly not on the basis of anything anyone could do to influence it.

I felt that way about the baby-killing trials that everyone got so excited about, too. We already know that people do this, there's a certain statistical chance, and if you're not involved, if you're not a part of this person's community, you're not obliged to care.

People die of hunger and kill each other and have sex with the wrong people and all sorts of things, and they do it all the time. We only know about it when there's a news story. I mean, I'm glad there are some examples saved for posterity and things. I don't know why anyone would ever care to read them while they're current.
Evil Zoe
QUOTE(Zyking @ Mar 3 2012, 10:36 AM) *
Why couldn't he just be a part time sugar daddy for some runaway 22 year old stripper/porn actress with daddy issues, like other normal, 40 year old, cheating bungholes?

Not that I condone that either, but...... icon-ball.gif


You knew my dad?
Spectre
This right here was the most telling quote in the article:

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She said her daughter was "always compliant," kept her room tidy at their Waterford home and minded her curfew. No R-rated movies until she was of age. No lone trips to the mall or the movies.


Dissever
QUOTE(Rust @ Mar 3 2012, 12:42 PM) *
Actually, I agree wholeheartedly with you Canthros.

Too many people (And the divorce rate supports this stance) think of marriage as a "On-again-Off-again" thing, and don't bother to put the work in to make it work.

Now to be fair, there are instances where one partner or the other refuses to compromise and that can poison a relationship, but I do feel far too many people just shrug their shoulders and refuse to put in the effort required to maintain it.

Plus, we live in a society where it's seen as okay to have a divorce or two under your belt.

That bugs me.



Don't you dare conflate this man's actions with divorce. The least he could have done was completely end the previous relationship before further pursuing this one.

Divorce rates have increased as a result of no-fault divorces that have been instituted since the 70s, this is true. Guess what the rates of has DECREASED because of it?

Domestic violence -- by /30%/. Guess who was getting beaten? People who were trying to make it work. Who were trying to fix things by trying harder at making dinner and doing better housework. People who couldn't leave. Another study suggests this has declined by 36%.

Spousal MURDER -- No change for women killing men, but the rates of men killing their wives has decreased by approximately 13% -- she might leave before you beat her enough to cause internal bleeding, sorry guys. Stevenson, Betsey; and Wolfers, Justin. “Bargaining in the Shadow of the Law: Divorce Laws and Family Distress.” Quarterly Journal of Economics, February 2006, Vol. 121, No. 1, pp. 267-88.

Suicide by desperate spouses -- decreased by 16% or more over the course of 19 years after introduction of no-fault divorce.

All divorce is not a tool or plaything for spoiled children, but I also wanted to inform you that these extreme cases where nothing works are a LOT MORE COMMON than you may think.

Ave Destron!
so what
Varnon
A former highschool friend became a teacher, and pretty much did this exact thing. She was a little younger, and didn't have kids... but otherwise it was the same. I think she isn't with the kid anymore. I hope not, for his sake. She is the kind of person that starts one relationship before ending another. I don't think she has ever been single.
Oh yeah, the weirdest thing about that situation is that she ended up teaching at another school about 10 minutes away. I would be a weary weary parent.

With this kind of stuff... I think the cheating bothers me just as much as the underage/teacher stuff. Either way, with all the things that are going on in this situation, it is a relationship founded on dishonesty. Regardless of right and wrong, that is nothing I would want to have.

On another note, I have been the older (by around 7 years) person in this situation as well. I was a supervisor, not a teacher at school. One of the girls had a big thing for me. It was borderline obvious. She tried to tell me a few times, but I wouldn't let her. As the supervisor, it was my job to completely shut down that line of thought and provide zero encouragement. It was a weird experience, and I did start to like her a little as well. But it wasn't so weird and difficult that I couldn't do the right thing.

That's what gets me about this situation. The teacher is a person that doesn't care about doing what is right. He doesn't care about doing what is right for his wife, or his career. And probably... when things change he doesn't care about doing what is right for the girl either.
Sheba
I blame Participation Trophies/Ribbons.
Rust
QUOTE(Dissever @ Mar 3 2012, 02:07 PM) *
Don't you dare conflate this man's actions with divorce. The least he could have done was completely end the previous relationship before further pursuing this one.

Divorce rates have increased as a result of no-fault divorces that have been instituted since the 70s, this is true. Guess what the rates of has DECREASED because of it?

Domestic violence -- by /30%/. Guess who was getting beaten? People who were trying to make it work. Who were trying to fix things by trying harder at making dinner and doing better housework. People who couldn't leave. Another study suggests this has declined by 36%.


Ah here we go. The Domestic Violence card.

There are some real jackasses out there, you won't see me disagreeing with that. And yes, in the case of one spouse physically assaulting another, I do agree that person needs to get out of the relationship immediately. I am not arguing that point.

I just find it wearily amusing that every time I start going on about Divorce Rates and the "Casualness" of marriage in this day and age, someone drags out Domestic Violence like I'm in some kind of Lifetime Movie.

...okay, that last bit did come across as rather caustic and abrasive. I apologize for that. But seriously, I'm not saying some marriages don't have legitimate problems, but a scum of the earth that decides to get violent with his or her (Because women abuse men just as much as the other way around) spouse is hardly the same thing as the selfish prick who thinks with their crotch.

I'm sorry, it's just that in my experience, the greater number of divorces comes from adultery and general "boredom" then a MMA match. Indeed, I know only one person who was charged with domestic violence, and everything I've heard about the incident was he was defending himself.

Different experiences for different people. I am not dismissing domestic violence, I'm merely pointing out that in this instance it thankfully wasn't a factor.
Dissever

No, the most caustic and abrasive thing about your post was dismissing the entire argument a 'card'. It's a lot easier to ignore when given a belittling label.

Kalidor
I think what he's saying is that while they might be "more common" than you think, they are not a leading cause. Nor does domestic violence play any role in this case, according to the article.

Dissever
QUOTE(Kalidor @ Mar 3 2012, 04:23 PM) *
Nor does domestic violence play any role in this case, according to the article.


Nor does divorce in this particular case, and yet here we are.
Rust
QUOTE(Dissever @ Mar 3 2012, 03:19 PM) *
No, the most caustic and abrasive thing about your post was dismissing the entire argument a 'card'. It's a lot easier to ignore when given a belittling label.


Yes, because putting my job on the line to confront a scumbag who is deliberately goading his nine year old charge into striking him so he'd had a excuse to hit him is me ignoring the problem.

Maybe I should have clarified originally that I was talking about divorce in regards to adultery (of which I have numerous personal experiences with via friends and family), but I'm tired of how every time I make a remark about the casualness of marriage somebody has to jump down my throat about domestic violence as though I'm blind to the fact its out there.

I've never said divorce is wrong or unnecessary, I merely pointed out my concern about how in modern society the tendency towards Divorce is climbing. Again, this is based off my personal observations of unfaithfulness in one partner or the other or just simply one partner getting "bored" with the other.
Copper Bezel
QUOTE(Rust)
Again, this is based off my personal observations of unfaithfulness in one partner or the other or just simply one partner getting "bored" with the other.

Well, look, if there aren't children involved, that doesn't cause any problem, either. So that's about parenting, not relationships per se.
Rust
QUOTE(Copper Bezel @ Mar 3 2012, 03:36 PM) *
QUOTE(Rust)
Again, this is based off my personal observations of unfaithfulness in one partner or the other or just simply one partner getting "bored" with the other.

Well, look, if there aren't children involved, that doesn't cause any problem, either. So that's about parenting, not relationships per se.


Eh, might be personal bias on my part but when I stood up to take those vows, I took 'em seriously.

I've got a friend who has been with a gal for five years, they have a son together. A lot of people, myself included to a degree, think they should get married if only for the child's sake. My friend, on the other hand, makes the point that he'd been in a relationship that lasted six years and was cheated on. He's reluctant to "tie the knot" when he knows how peoples feelings can change over the years.

While I don't necessarily agree with him, I can't help but respect his desire not to rush into marriage.
Sheba
If domestic violence isn't a 'fault' then I don't know what is.
Canthros
QUOTE(Copper Bezel @ Mar 3 2012, 12:44 PM) *
Why get excited?

Because silence tends to be interpreted as apathy or even tacit approval.

<No-fault divorce, domestic violence, et cetera, et al>
I see I've been accidentally trolling again. icon-wildride.gif And I don't know that it's particularly relevant.

QUOTE(Sheba @ Mar 3 2012, 05:35 PM) *
If domestic violence isn't a 'fault' then I don't know what is.

(Big caveat: the following is all as-I-understand-it, because I am not a student of legal history)

Prior to the institution of no-fault divorce laws, the aggrieved party had to either show the other party was at fault, or assume fault for dissolving the marriage. Because the party found to be at fault was given substantial preference in dividing the property and other rights associated with the marriage, this provided very strong incentive to stay married. Unfortunately, people in abusive relationships are often very reluctant to do things like file police reports documenting and detailing that abuse, for fear of reprisal. This tends to put the abused party over a barrel. They can't show the other party's fault without potentially severe risk, but they also can't just leave without ruining their own life, especially in the case of a dependent spouse, like a stay-at-home mother.

So, yes, abuse (physical and mental) was generally considered a valid reason for dissolving a marriage, but it can be extremely difficult for the abused party to pursue that avenue of escape.

The obvious problem with no-fault divorce is that either party can dissolve the contract at any time for practically no particular reason whatever, which removes most external incentives for preserving the marriage. This has some pretty deleterious effects of its own.

I don't find either an attractive proposition. The current situation allows an unfaithful spouse to claim half of everything just because they're bored with married life. The prior arrangement forced abused spouses to put up with that abuse out of fear of losing their right to their children or to any portion of the household's assets.
Kalidor
QUOTE(Dissever @ Mar 3 2012, 04:26 PM) *
QUOTE(Kalidor @ Mar 3 2012, 04:23 PM) *
Nor does domestic violence play any role in this case, according to the article.


Nor does divorce in this particular case, and yet here we are.


The article stated that he's leaving his wife to be with this girl. I can't imagine a scenario in which one of them isn't going to file for divorce. It's a given.
Sheba
QUOTE(Canthros @ Mar 3 2012, 06:09 PM) *
QUOTE(Copper Bezel @ Mar 3 2012, 12:44 PM) *
Why get excited?

Because silence tends to be interpreted as apathy or even tacit approval.

<No-fault divorce, domestic violence, et cetera, et al>
I see I've been accidentally trolling again. icon-wildride.gif And I don't know that it's particularly relevant.

QUOTE(Sheba @ Mar 3 2012, 05:35 PM) *
If domestic violence isn't a 'fault' then I don't know what is.

(Big caveat: the following is all as-I-understand-it, because I am not a student of legal history)

Prior to the institution of no-fault divorce laws, the aggrieved party had to either show the other party was at fault, or assume fault for dissolving the marriage. Because the party found to be at fault was given substantial preference in dividing the property and other rights associated with the marriage, this provided very strong incentive to stay married. Unfortunately, people in abusive relationships are often very reluctant to do things like file police reports documenting and detailing that abuse, for fear of reprisal. This tends to put the abused party over a barrel. They can't show the other party's fault without potentially severe risk, but they also can't just leave without ruining their own life, especially in the case of a dependent spouse, like a stay-at-home mother.

So, yes, abuse (physical and mental) was generally considered a valid reason for dissolving a marriage, but it can be extremely difficult for the abused party to pursue that avenue of escape.

The obvious problem with no-fault divorce is that either party can dissolve the contract at any time for practically no particular reason whatever, which removes most external incentives for preserving the marriage. This has some pretty deleterious effects of its own.

I don't find either an attractive proposition. The current situation allows an unfaithful spouse to claim half of everything just because they're bored with married life. The prior arrangement forced abused spouses to put up with that abuse out of fear of losing their right to their children or to any portion of the household's assets.


I guess what I'm saying is it's mindbogglingly illogical how hard it was to divorce based on domestic abuse. I suppose that if someone had to pretend that they weren't being abused and yet give the other partner their walking papers, then "no-fault" would be useful, but that usually just reinforces sweeping abuse under the rug.
Sprocket
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 3 2012, 03:57 AM) *
argh; talk about a mid-life crisis you won't be able to come back from.

Boom! Winning quote right in the first reply, couldn't have put it better myself.
Glenn
If he cheated on his wife.. eventually he'll cheat on this girl too.

I'd like to call him a scumbag... but quitting teaching and getting divorced are actually points in his favor..
Pennpenn
I'd say he's a hormone addled idiot who let his lusts cloud his better judgement.
Adam G
Not really seeing the problem here. It's a bit creepy, but the girl is an adult and free to make her own choices, be they mistakes or not. It's not and shouldn't be illegal. There's a question of unethical behaviour related to his job and so he has quit it. He has done everything he needs to.

Not sure harping on the fact that he left his wife for this girl really matters. Are we actually thinking him and his wife had this rock solid relationship besides this little affair? We don't know the specifics of the situation, but it's very likely they had a jive marriage before this whole thing came about, not the other way around. His relationship with his child isn't really the issue here. We don't have any information insinuating that he's some sort of dead beat who wants no contact with his child or refuses to provide support. People's relationships with their spouses end every day, and it's preferable than staying in a bad relationship.

I sure hope I can hug an 18 year old when I'm 41. I hope there aren't a bunch of dicks on a message board judging me if I manage to do so, but if there are, I would just stick it in my 18 year old and I wouldn't really give a jive anymore.
tec
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Dirk Dinobot
While legally its fine its morally disgusting. This "woman" went to highschool with his kids. His kids knew this woman. Its just soo oogy.
-VP-
QUOTE(Glenn @ Mar 4 2012, 01:19 AM) *
If he cheated on his wife.. eventually he'll cheat on this girl too.

I'd like to call him a scumbag... but quitting teaching and getting divorced are actually points in his favor..


My thoughts exactly. He did the right thing in this situation. If they didn't have sex before she came of age and they felt like they were meant to be together, then really there is nothing to say here since this happened after she turned 18. It may be slightly creepy for a man his age and a woman that age to be together, but legal adults can do whatever they want.
skankerzero
man. you guys are weird.

So many jump to conclusions in judging this man.

What if his 'soon to be ex-wife' was a total nightmare to be with over time? Every time I see something like this, people are extremely quick to put all the blame on the man. The woman is always the saint. In reality, people are led to cheat because something is missing from their current relationship. Whether it's emotional or physical cheating, it all comes from somewhere. What defines the cheater as a 'bad person' is how they let the whole situation play out. In this case, I think the man handled it quite well.
The girl also seems like a very mature girl for her age.

As far as the age difference goes, I'm Mexican and things like this are not uncommon. My Grandparents on my father's side were 30 (him) 15 (her) and they were together until my grandfather died of old age and my grandmother stayed devoted to him until she died too. Granted that was a long time ago, but it still happens now. My dad did the same thing just not as big of a gap, and I have almost ZERO in common with girls my age. Hell, I still feel and act 19.
Thylacine2000

When the guy is screwing around, you have to ask if the wife had turned frigid. Sorry to be so vulgar, but after however long it was (daughter was 17, they must have been together longer), it kinda does matter if she started acting like passion and intimacy were beneath her now. The guy's 41 - maybe he's seen some friends die but he still has his health, and he feels he should still get what he needs while he can. He may very well be completely in the wrong, but we can't assume this came from nowhere.
Zyking
QUOTE(Adam @ Mar 4 2012, 07:31 AM) *
Not really seeing the problem here. It's a bit creepy, but the girl is an adult and free to make her own choices, be they mistakes or not. It's not and shouldn't be illegal. There's a question of unethical behaviour related to his job and so he has quit it. He has done everything he needs to.

Not sure harping on the fact that he left his wife for this girl really matters. Are we actually thinking him and his wife had this rock solid relationship besides this little affair? We don't know the specifics of the situation, but it's very likely they had a jive marriage before this whole thing came about, not the other way around. His relationship with his child isn't really the issue here. We don't have any information insinuating that he's some sort of dead beat who wants no contact with his child or refuses to provide support. People's relationships with their spouses end every day, and it's preferable than staying in a bad relationship.

I sure hope I can hug an 18 year old when I'm 41. I hope there aren't a bunch of dicks on a message board judging me if I manage to do so, but if there are, I would just stick it in my 18 year old and I wouldn't really give a jive anymore.


So, basically, "I can't hear you, I'm busy pounding the naked barely legal hottie thats in my bed" approach?

How utterly nonchalant, in your face and yet quite honest to boot.

Well, I think thats more or less the approach that guy from the article has as well. icon-fire.gif
Adam G
QUOTE(Zyking @ Mar 4 2012, 06:26 PM) *
So, basically, "I can't hear you, I'm busy pounding the naked barely legal hottie thats in my bed" approach?

Pretty much.
Rhinox
until there is evidence that he hit that while she was underage, there is nothing illegal about this. It's creepy as all hell, given his teaching position at the time, but it's not illegal to be hugging creepy.
Adam G
QUOTE(Rhinox @ Mar 5 2012, 05:57 AM) *
it's not illegal to be hugging creepy.

This is why I am a free man.
Saker
I suppose people only scream "creepy" because she was a pupil of his. If she was 30 and he was 50 no one would care. She may care when she's 30 and he's 50 though.....
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