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Nanite
QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 8 2012, 08:58 AM) *
Yeah, I'm ready to buy Blast-Off all on his own.


Ayup. Apart from Vortex, I would buy all of these guys individually, even if they didn't combine.

The combination is icing at this point. Plus I get to practice my paint-fu on Vortex (he looks so much like a Marvel TF).
The Phazer
QUOTE(Somebody @ Feb 8 2012, 04:59 PM) *
QUOTE(The Phazer @ Feb 8 2012, 12:50 PM) *
Bruticus looks terminally compromised by making Onslaught a deluxe rather than a Voyager.

I don't think that's such a problem - the problem is that they're expecting too much of the Dlx torsobot. If Onslaught's shoulders/arms went in and down and the *whole shoulder assembly* was formed from the armbots, that would give a bigger torso and avoid "orangutang" arms out on sticks...


But the reason that happens is almost certainly because of the restrictions on the number of parts that a deluxe has and would be less of an issue with a Voyager...

I still think it'd look like his torso was atrophied even then, but Onslaught is clearly suffering from a lack of available parts and mass, otherwise he'd look a heck of a lot more like his bulky concept art.

Phazer
Kalidor
QUOTE(Smitty @ Feb 5 2012, 04:00 PM) *
I want protectabots


Sounds good.


QUOTE
and backward compatibility with Energon combiners.


Pretty pointless. I'm not really interested in someone ruining a new toy so it can work with an ugly toy from a decade ago.
Might Gaine
Please be totally mistransformed, FOC Bruticus...
Rosicrucian
I never really had any complaints about the connectors on Energon combiners, aside from the fact that they took up a lot of space on the toys.
Magick
QUOTE(-VP- @ Feb 8 2012, 11:29 AM) *
QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Feb 8 2012, 11:27 AM) *
They're beautiful even when mistransformed and mis-merged. Toy Fair will show us Onslaught's proper torso and vehicle modes and then we all just settle in for 5 months of masturwaiting.



I nominate that for word of the year. I gotta mix that into my conversations. "I'm just masturwaiting for the new Hobbit movie."


Totally! That word wins.
Magick
QUOTE(The Phazer @ Feb 8 2012, 12:54 PM) *
QUOTE(Somebody @ Feb 8 2012, 04:59 PM) *
QUOTE(The Phazer @ Feb 8 2012, 12:50 PM) *
Bruticus looks terminally compromised by making Onslaught a deluxe rather than a Voyager.

I don't think that's such a problem - the problem is that they're expecting too much of the Dlx torsobot. If Onslaught's shoulders/arms went in and down and the *whole shoulder assembly* was formed from the armbots, that would give a bigger torso and avoid "orangutang" arms out on sticks...


But the reason that happens is almost certainly because of the restrictions on the number of parts that a deluxe has and would be less of an issue with a Voyager...

I still think it'd look like his torso was atrophied even then, but Onslaught is clearly suffering from a lack of available parts and mass, otherwise he'd look a heck of a lot more like his bulky concept art.

Phazer


Count me in for having preferred even a small voyager if it meant Onslaught looking more like his beefy model and evening out the over all combined look. But so far Generations are only deluxe size. They would need to come up with one or two more voyager molds to justify the shelf space. Not that we'd hate that. :-) Maybe then we could have another combiner team to oppose Bruticus.

Yeah, I'm dreaming.
Razorsaw
Voyagers aren't even possible for Generations' current model, so I'd expect some trade offs.
Vestras
See, this is why we need the $15 Mega price point back, for Combiner core figures and beefier-than-deluxe figures.
▲ndrusi
QUOTE(Benbot @ Feb 8 2012, 12:07 PM) *
After third-parties have shown what is possible with combiners, these are kind of a let down.

Yeah, they don't look like construction vehicles at all!
Powered Convoy
QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 8 2012, 02:48 PM) *
See, this is why we need the $15 Mega price point back, for Combiner core figures and beefier-than-deluxe figures.

Yeah but what price point would it sell at, considering Deluxes are now in the $12 to $16 range and Voyagers from $20 to $24?

Randy
Database
QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 8 2012, 02:48 PM) *
See, this is why we need the $15 Mega price point back, for Combiner core figures and beefier-than-deluxe figures.


At this point Deluxes almost ARE the Mega Price point. icon-waspy.gif
LiamA
That Bruticus looks flimsy.
tec
I want this guy like now

Glad to see the Allspark is full of GEEWONERS icon-fire.gif seeing thim all pop out of the woodwork to gripe about Vortex color sceme makes me proud but I could of used your help last month..
I joke of course

Vortexes colors never stood out and he is not a color sceme I worry about changeing
BB Shockwave
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 8 2012, 08:52 PM) *
QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 8 2012, 02:48 PM) *
See, this is why we need the $15 Mega price point back, for Combiner core figures and beefier-than-deluxe figures.

Yeah but what price point would it sell at, considering Deluxes are now in the $12 to $16 range and Voyagers from $20 to $24?

Randy


Oh, how I wish they cost that little. In Europe, double those prices and then you get your average Deluxe/Voyager price. It's no coincidence that Legends and Cyberverse sells out the fastest.

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 8 2012, 09:23 PM) *
I want thjs guy like now

Glad to see the Allspark is full of GEEWONERS icon-fire.gif seeing thim all pop out of the woodwork to gripe about Votex color sceme makes me proud but I could of used your help last month..
I joke of course

Vortexes colors never stood out and he is not a color sceme I worry about changeing


I wonder if I will ever be able to grow old and tell to my great-grandchildren "Well, World War IV turned the Earth into a nuclear wasteland and at night mutant zombie vampire cyborgs are out hunting for blood, but at least Tec learned how to spell."

Then I realize, I am already 34. I won't live to see the day.
BB Shockwave
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 8 2012, 06:40 PM) *
Vortex makes me think of the Micromaster Helicopter Base.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:SkyhopperToy.jpg


Yeah, more red less purple, but the tan is enough to suggest it to my mind.


-ZacWilliam, I'd love it if Takara did them all, especially Vortex, in more G1 colors, BUT the colors here a fine too and won't deter me even slightly from picking up this awesomeness the second it is available.


I will buy them too, apart from lack of blue on Vortex I am fine with the colors - and if that's the production color, I'll just repaint him myself. icon-hotrod.gif

And you are right, he does resemble Skyhopper's copter a bit in shape.

QUOTE(Kil @ Feb 8 2012, 03:55 PM) *
QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Feb 8 2012, 09:47 AM) *
My one complaint about Blast Off is that he just has way too many tail fins. Counting the ones on his guns, he's got seven. That's insane.



That's the best thing about him!

Seriously, Blast Off is only one of these I really want, and his crazy over abundance of tailfins is pretty much the reason why.


And in-game, his tailfins on his shoulders will be constantly waving. icon-hotrod.gif

At this point I am sure we will get to play as all five Combaticons AND Bruticus in the game, since we haven't heard of many other new Cons save for Shockwave. They nicely fit the WFC categories - 2 fliers, a Soldier, a Leader and a Scout. I wonder what Swindle's speciality would be... selling weapons to the Autobots that explode when they try to shoot him with?
The Phazer
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Feb 8 2012, 06:46 PM) *
Voyagers aren't even possible for Generations' current model, so I'd expect some trade offs.


The venn diagram between people who are saying Voyagers aren't possible for Generations and those who were saying a month ago that combiners weren't possible for Generations looks like a perfect circle.

Phazer
Magnus
Heh
Rosicrucian
QUOTE(The Phazer @ Feb 8 2012, 07:01 PM) *
The venn diagram between people who are saying Voyagers aren't possible for Generations and those who were saying a month ago that combiners weren't possible for Generations looks like a perfect circle.
A month ago it hadn't really occurred to anyone to have an all-deluxe Combiner.

The line is still all deluxe case assortments, and we've had no evidence to the contrary.
Demovere Xeno
Looking at that shot of Bruticus again, the rather large combiner pegs look sort-of similar to each other - which has me wondering: perhaps FoC Bruticus will be able to Scramble his limb components, much like the G1 and Energon combiners? icon-op.gif
Walky
QUOTE(Demovere Xeno @ Feb 8 2012, 09:51 PM) *
Looking at that shot of Bruticus again, the rather large combiner pegs look sort-of similar to each other - which has me wondering: perhaps FoC Bruticus will be able to Scramble his limb components, much like the G1 and Energon combiners? icon-op.gif


I really, really doubt it. Each limb would have to hide two separate fists somewhere in it. And I see evidence against that, not for it.
crazyjw18
So awesome. All of my want, right there.

Plus it's all Cybertron forms, so I don't have to even think about feeling bad about paying all that for the still superbly awesome Fansproject sets. So sweet.
MonsterFromMars
Y'know I was just thinking, it seems the toy is really intended to hold a static pose. Simalir to whatever he has in the concept art there...


And, that got me to thinking. Maybe Bruticus is the Devastator of today. I mean before they just came up with a more standardized way that combiners should combine that allowed poseability and durability as well.


Im kind of thinking, that if we get another combiner after this guy... I wouldn't be surprised if we got slightly smaller deluxes that were designed with more swievels instead. And more ratcheting joints.


I mean, when you think of it. If they were all each as big as classics bumblebee and most of that money was put more into the jointing. It may risk classics Galvatron style problems. But it may also mean nearly basic sized limbs that are a slight bigger. With really good poseability for the combined mode. And really secure jointing...


And, I wonder if this Bruticus is sort of an experiment and if it'll get better from here. Maybe us seeing much better combining deluxes in the future.


I still stand by the idea that Blastoff has a swieval joing right underneath a piece of space on his upper chest. I still think that part can turn and allow the legs to move upwards in a sideways position. Which allows that punch in the gut sort of pose.


QUOTE
They're beautiful even when mistransformed and mis-merged. Toy Fair will show us Onslaught's proper torso and vehicle modes and then we all just settle in for 5 months of masturwaiting.



I sort of have a problem with this. I think their great figures and I agree that Onslaught must have some mistransformation. But seriously a lot of what we see in the vehicle mode seems to really be. All that you see here.

Yes, im certain that the back part of the armored vehicle is attached wrongly. That theres also a piece there thats supposed to raise up and cover some area. And, Im kind of hoping that he does have some sort of flexibility in how the cannon is perched on the top.


But that said it's very clear they butchered the vehicle mode. And, im not putting it down for that. But, I see a lot of clear, that is the way the toy will really look. Other than maybe one or two small things.


Now with the combined mode. I think what makes it look bad is the thighs seem sort of mistransformed. Or at least it seems like theres a range with how the thighs can be posed. And if you put the parts that seem to be Onslaught's upper thighs more inwards. Towards where Bruticus' underwear/groin is. Then Onslaught's lower legs would look much more proper as Bruticus thighs.


That said I think some of the arm kibble could be hidden on the upper parts of the chest. And the arms both vortex and Blastoff seem to have much more poseable range. But if you look carefully you can sort of figure it out.


The only other thing that would make it look better other than fixing how the thighs are transformed and how the arms are transformed. Is whether you can raise those wheels with the connector joints a bit. So the arms seem propped a bit higher. Instead of hanging so low.

But, mind It's absolutely hard to tell how much you can prop those arm connectors wheels upwards at an angle. It seems like maybe the connector itself has a joint. But maybe im wrong on that.


But some of what is transformed wrong is kind of evident. Push Onslaught's legs back a bit on the upper parts. And they hide behind Bruticus' groin a lot better. And Blastoffs arm definately has some range to alllow it to turn and have the fist point upwards. With an elbow.





Also Brawl's is mistransformed in the leg mode. The turret is upside down. If you notice. The upper part of the turret is really the foot. That piece that they mistakingly transformed into the foot, that looks really ugly. Is not the actually foot. The turret needs to be swivelled into the opposite direction. With the right foot piece aiming down. The part being used for the foot. Is really an piece that folds out to cover the exposure of that purple knee joint.


So in other words Brawl is clearly mistransformed there in foot mode!
MonsterFromMars
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Autobot Bubbs
I hope Blast off's in OD green and NOT gold plastic...

even IF they did fix the formular...
MonsterFromMars
Looks like I might be wrong about Brawl being Mistransformed.


But the leg is odd to me. The turret clearly turns. And that butt piece that covers the knee connector. Looks a lot more like the arts feet than the tab that comes out of the cannon does.

So Im curious.
DeadCal
QUOTE(LiamA @ Feb 8 2012, 08:15 PM) *
That Bruticus looks flimsy.

He looks like his arms are about to fall off. Vehicle modes are OK, but the robot modes seem similarly flimsy.
SilverFirePrime
As long as it doesn't tip over, this thing is so bought
Treadshot 2.0
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 7 2012, 10:02 PM) *
well, it's still swappable--between a pimpslap hand and a gun.


Which is so obviously BETTER that I really shouldn't have even mentioned it.
Otaku
*waits patiently for updates and resists arguing about usefulness of combiners in combat*

Must... be... strong!
Kalidor
In case you missed it:

http://www.allspark.com/content/view/9970/20/
Walky
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 8 2012, 09:53 PM) *
QUOTE(Demovere Xeno @ Feb 8 2012, 09:51 PM) *
Looking at that shot of Bruticus again, the rather large combiner pegs look sort-of similar to each other - which has me wondering: perhaps FoC Bruticus will be able to Scramble his limb components, much like the G1 and Energon combiners? icon-op.gif


I really, really doubt it. Each limb would have to hide two separate fists somewhere in it. And I see evidence against that, not for it.


Whoops! I be a wrong dude.
Shattered
QUOTE(Kalidor @ Feb 11 2012, 10:23 PM) *


The links to the game devloper's website at the bottom of that article don't seem to be working.
Darkstream
I will buy every version of this, but i will buy at least two if there is a g2 set...( maybe three), if there is a boxed set.
Powered Convoy
QUOTE(Shattered @ Feb 12 2012, 12:07 PM) *
QUOTE(Kalidor @ Feb 11 2012, 10:23 PM) *


The links to the game devloper's website at the bottom of that article don't seem to be working.

Cannonball was drunk while making that front page article, so I fixed the links. icon-ironhide.gif
Kalidor
Cannonball is a douche.
Powered Convoy
He wants you to infinitely click the links to off-site sites only to be redirected to the Allspark again and again and again. icon-ball.gif

Randy
mignash
So it seems, despite people calling it "G2", one of the decos of FOC Bruticus is more or less colored after Energon Bruticus Maximus. I think that matches up to the Japanese names for the characters too, with Blast Off being the purple helicopter, Swindle being the yellow tank, etc.

I don't suppose anyone could assemble a Bruticus Maximus with the limbs in the same pattern and take a picture? You'd need both tanks as legs, and both helicopters as arms.

BTW - Do you think that maybe the G1 colors are the individual release and the Energon colors are a 5 pack store exclusive?
Creature SH
I wonder if these colors aren't so much a homage as they are the result of someone screwing up on their research and assuming that the Energon colors were the same as G1.
Lukeblast
QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 18 2012, 08:45 AM) *
So it seems, despite people calling it "G2", one of the decos of FOC Bruticus is more or less colored after Energon Bruticus Maximus.

BTW - Do you think that maybe the G1 colors are the individual release and the Energon colors are a 5 pack store exclusive?

People have been saying/assuming both these things since Toyfair. Unfortunately, such things are overshadowed by the people going "IT'S GEETWO!!!!" and "WHY CAN'T HASBRO GET THE COLORS RIGHT?!?!"
Otaku
C'mon Ruination themed redeco!
Dake
Fall of Cybertron video at Kotaku including Bruticus combining.

Looks like Vortex is the triple changer: bot, helo and jet.
Triblurr
http://www.gamesradar.com/things-you-need-...fall-cybertron/

Looks like we Got Greg Berger reprising his role as Grimlock. Sweet.

Nolan North and Cliffjumper should be cool.
ZacWilliam1
QUOTE(TriBlurr @ Feb 20 2012, 10:31 AM) *
http://www.gamesradar.com/things-you-need-...fall-cybertron/

Looks like we Got Greg Berger reprising his role as Grimlock. Sweet.


Meh.

Don't get me wrong. I love Greg as dumb Cartoon Grimmy. But the FoC version seems like it'll be much more akin to the Badd@$$ Comic Book warrior Grimlock, and I'm honestly not sure Greg's the best choice for that.


-ZacWilliam, got bummed about Nolan too, just because the headline made it sound for a second like he'd be voicing an actual Archeologist TF. (He'd be GREAT for Landmine.) Frankly I've never liked Cliffjumper in any continuity so it was a disapointment to see thats all it was.
Bass X0
Cartoon Grimlock had some badass parts too. Not many but they were there, up until season three at least.
Triblurr
Just because Greg is voicing Grimlock dosen't mean he's going to use the exact same voice he used back in the 80s. If he can dial it back a bit, like how Welker has pulled it back a bit for Megatron. I think it could work well. Especially if you go with the way he played Grimlock up in season 1 and 2, and not the goofball he was in season 3. Hell, he could do something closer to the voice he did for Jecht in Final Fantasy 10.
Cat
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=37072

New article.

Not sure if there's any new info.
D.M
QUOTE
11. Cybertron is no longer flat

We didn't really mind that Cybertron was fairly flat in the last game. It... sort of made sense, right? It's a robot planet, and the cities didn't have many hills. Even so, High Moon Studios wanted to add more variety, so now there will be - gasp - hills!

Apparently there are parts of the planet that aren't entirely covered with metal, and some of those places will feature varied terrain to make the game feel more bumpy. Get ready to go off-roading.


Blah.
Yertle
QUOTE(Dake @ Feb 20 2012, 10:15 AM) *
Fall of Cybertron video at Kotaku including Bruticus combining.

Looks like Vortex is the triple changer: bot, helo and jet.

Doesn't look so much like he's triple changing so much that his acceleration mode looks more like a jet but that's not so fundamentally different from the hover/fast mode distinction from the first game
ZacWilliam1
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 20 2012, 12:51 PM) *
QUOTE
11. Cybertron is no longer flat

We didn't really mind that Cybertron was fairly flat in the last game. It... sort of made sense, right? It's a robot planet, and the cities didn't have many hills. Even so, High Moon Studios wanted to add more variety, so now there will be - gasp - hills!

Apparently there are parts of the planet that aren't entirely covered with metal, and some of those places will feature varied terrain to make the game feel more bumpy. Get ready to go off-roading.


Blah.



They likely mean things like the Rust Sea which they've already talked about.


-ZacWilliam, their concept art for Cybertron is really great. I wouldn't worry.
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