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gargunkle
QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Feb 6 2012, 03:00 PM) *
QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 6 2012, 11:56 AM) *
3 Bumblebee's in Wave 2 is crazy though.


It's aggravating, if accurate. I try not to be one of those guys who constantly bitches about Hasbro making too many Bumblebees and Primes, but that sounds like a breakdown one of them would come up with as a joke.


I would like to think I don't go on complaining about Bumblebees, but let me go on the record now as saying there are too many Bumblebees. Okay, I'm done now.
LV!
QUOTE(Steevy Maximus @ Feb 6 2012, 08:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 6 2012, 03:56 PM) *
Well, it's a lot of toys, 9, in 3 waves, so you're gonna have a lot of 2 and 1s. 3 Bumblebee's in Wave 2 is crazy though. I would think 2 Ratchets, 2 Arcees, as they're the new molds that wave. I guess Hasbro still thinks that even though Arcee is a major character on the show she won't sell as well as Bumblebee.

Hasbro did that with Animated Ratchet and Blackarachnia...and I remember seeing them linger on shelves for months, especially Ratchet.

There's basically never BEEN a Blackarachnia toy that didn't pegwarm. Except TM2, because a) she wasn't on pegs and b) her assortment was never common to begin with.
NightViper
QUOTE(LV! @ Feb 6 2012, 03:16 PM) *
QUOTE(Steevy Maximus @ Feb 6 2012, 08:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 6 2012, 03:56 PM) *
Well, it's a lot of toys, 9, in 3 waves, so you're gonna have a lot of 2 and 1s. 3 Bumblebee's in Wave 2 is crazy though. I would think 2 Ratchets, 2 Arcees, as they're the new molds that wave. I guess Hasbro still thinks that even though Arcee is a major character on the show she won't sell as well as Bumblebee.

Hasbro did that with Animated Ratchet and Blackarachnia...and I remember seeing them linger on shelves for months, especially Ratchet.

There's basically never BEEN a Blackarachnia toy that didn't pegwarm. Except TM2, because a) she wasn't on pegs and b) her assortment was never common to begin with.


I only saw the original Beast Wars toy once. She and Tigatron were hella rare around here.
LV!
That whole redeco wave was easy to find both in SE and NW Michigan for at least a year or two. As compared to Lazorbeak, who I saw (two of) once at the TRU I worked at that summer.
Powered Convoy
QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 6 2012, 03:21 PM) *
QUOTE(LV! @ Feb 6 2012, 03:16 PM) *
QUOTE(Steevy Maximus @ Feb 6 2012, 08:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 6 2012, 03:56 PM) *
Well, it's a lot of toys, 9, in 3 waves, so you're gonna have a lot of 2 and 1s. 3 Bumblebee's in Wave 2 is crazy though. I would think 2 Ratchets, 2 Arcees, as they're the new molds that wave. I guess Hasbro still thinks that even though Arcee is a major character on the show she won't sell as well as Bumblebee.

Hasbro did that with Animated Ratchet and Blackarachnia...and I remember seeing them linger on shelves for months, especially Ratchet.

There's basically never BEEN a Blackarachnia toy that didn't pegwarm. Except TM2, because a) she wasn't on pegs and b) her assortment was never common to begin with.


I only saw the original Beast Wars toy once. She and Tigatron were hella rare around here.

Ah now those were the good ole simple days of TF collecting. To go back to them. Sigh... icon-hotrod.gif
Spark
I think I liked it better when we found out about canceled things after they were already canceled.
Bleargh001
OhcrapIamsostupid.

I messed up and forgot a word in that last questioning post. I meant to ask:

So the RiD Cyberverse Legion Cliffjumper (who is the best version of Prime CLiffjumper, IMO) says "Series 2" on the packaging. I thought he was in the first wave and all that.

Sorry about that. Anyway, what was Series 1 of the Cyberverse Legion Class?
Powered Convoy
I got my TakaraTomy FE Vehicon and Cliffjumper today. They're pretty nice, CJ especially (who is a pain, well both of them are, to transform). Also the Vehicon was very mistransformed in his packaging.

Randy
Walky
QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Feb 6 2012, 06:51 PM) *
OhcrapIamsostupid.

I messed up and forgot a word in that last questioning post. I meant to ask:

So the RiD Cyberverse Legion Cliffjumper (who is the best version of Prime CLiffjumper, IMO) says "Series 2" on the packaging. I thought he was in the first wave and all that.

Sorry about that. Anyway, what was Series 1 of the Cyberverse Legion Class?


All of the movie stuff.
Bleargh001
Ah. Gotcha. That makes sense.
ShinRa Inc
QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Feb 6 2012, 06:51 PM) *
OhcrapIamsostupid.

I messed up and forgot a word in that last questioning post. I meant to ask:

So the RiD Cyberverse Legion Cliffjumper (who is the best version of Prime CLiffjumper, IMO) says "Series 2" on the packaging. I thought he was in the first wave and all that.

Sorry about that. Anyway, what was Series 1 of the Cyberverse Legion Class?


Like I said earlier, DOTM Cyberverse is series 1.
Axaday
Is regular FE Cliffjumper in car mode and Zombie in robot mode in their packaging?

Edit - Oh, also are all the Japanese versions from RID?
SwiftEagle
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 6 2012, 07:35 PM) *
I got my TakaraTomy FE Vehicon and Cliffjumper today. They're pretty nice, CJ especially (who is a pain, well both of them are, to transform). Also the Vehicon was very mistransformed in his packaging.

Randy


I keep reading that about FE Cliffjumper, but I don't get it. Apart from the minor but brief terror of forcing the back of the car together when the tabs are made of clear plastic, what's so tough about the guy? He seems entirely straightforward.

(And while you're looking at differences, note that TakaraTomy FE Cliffjumper's robot-head horns have been blunted versus the pointier Hasbro ones. Go fig.)

Ax - All the current toys out in Japan are the FE molds. RiD will be the next set, with the lower price and Mini-Cons and etc. Nobody has released Terrorcon Cliffjumper yet.
Magick
QUOTE(Axaday @ Feb 6 2012, 10:28 PM) *
Is regular FE Cliffjumper in car mode and Zombie in robot mode in their packaging?

Edit - Oh, also are all the Japanese versions from RID?


They are if their number starts with "AM-". AM-03 is Takara RID Cliffjumper.
Magick
QUOTE(SwiftEagle @ Feb 7 2012, 12:02 AM) *
(And while you're looking at differences, note that TakaraTomy FE Cliffjumper's robot-head horns have been blunted versus the pointier Hasbro ones. Go fig.)


Are you serious? Have we entired some backward parallel dimesion? That actually annoys me. I wonder why Takara would choose to do that now? Unless the factory switched the First Editions on them. icon-fire.gif

EDIT: Correct quote reference so that my comments makes sense.
SwiftEagle
I don't entirely understand. Which bit seems backwards? Just like here (sort of), Takara released the FEs first and the RiD molds second...except for ZombieCliff, who's coming out in the later assortment there and seemingly not at all here.
Powered Convoy
TakaraTomy probably thought it too early to release Zombie Cliffjumper in the First Edition wave they release (it was just one wave for them). Either that or they wanted to hold off on the spoiler for the younger kids until later.

Randy
Magick
Sorry for the confusion. I kept the wrong quote in my reply. I was referring to Takara's version having the neutered horns instead of Hasbro.
G.B.Blackrock
QUOTE(Magick @ Feb 7 2012, 08:37 AM) *
Sorry for the confusion. I kept the wrong quote in my reply. I was referring to Takara's version having the neutered horns instead of Hasbro.

It's unusual, but not unprecedented. Takara's God Ginrai had "neutered" smokestacks while Hasbro's Powermaster Prime still had longer ones.
Powered Convoy
Just recently United Thunderwing has very soft spikes/cannons on his shoulders that Generations Thunderwing and Sky Shadow do not.

Randy
Rosicrucian
I caved on Takara Arcee, Starscream and Cliffjumper. I just can't like the RID molds on those better.
gargunkle
I can see liking the TT one better for sure, but for my perspective, I can't see paying 2-4x the cost for it.
Powered Convoy
Be careful of Cliffjumper's things that flip down below his headlights, I didn't realize they existed and snapped one off trying to cram his legs into car mode.

This is with the presumably more detailed TakaraTomy instructions too.

Randy
Rosicrucian
Well, First Edition never hit in this area, and my preorder with BBTS was for the 1.5 wave, and thus got changed to RID.
RCX
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 7 2012, 01:48 PM) *
Be careful of Cliffjumper's things that flip down below his headlights, I didn't realize they existed and snapped one off trying to cram his legs into car mode.

This is with the presumably more detailed TakaraTomy instructions too.

Randy


Ouch. My TT FE Cliffy just went in my BBTS pile of loot. He, Bulk, and the Vehicon are on their way to me!
Also, there is a new pre-order for the Arms Microns (a set of 10, 4 models).

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;mode=retail
Powered Convoy
Yeah it was the TakaraTomy one. The instructions didn't point out (at least I hadn't noticed) flipping that section out, and how his legs were supposed to fold at the knees to fit inside the car.

Randy
Axaday
QUOTE(SwiftEagle @ Feb 6 2012, 11:02 PM) *
Ax - All the current toys out in Japan are the FE molds. RiD will be the next set, with the lower price and Mini-Cons and etc. Nobody has released Terrorcon Cliffjumper yet.


Ok, why do I see Cliffjumper packaged in either mode on blue cards?
ChessPieceFace
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 7 2012, 12:12 PM) *
Yeah it was the TakaraTomy one. The instructions didn't point out (at least I hadn't noticed) flipping that section out, and how his legs were supposed to fold at the knees to fit inside the car.

Randy

Yeah, the Takara instructions were terrible. I'm still not convinced I'm doing it right--the car's sides still bulge out way more easily than it seems they should--but trying to figure out how to get that toy from robot to car the first time using those instructions was just hopeless. There were clearly notes pointing out important non-pictured steps, but, well, I don't speak Japanese.

I think the Hasbro version, packaged as a car, would be much easier to deal with.
Powered Convoy
QUOTE(Axaday @ Feb 7 2012, 02:15 PM) *
QUOTE(SwiftEagle @ Feb 6 2012, 11:02 PM) *
Ax - All the current toys out in Japan are the FE molds. RiD will be the next set, with the lower price and Mini-Cons and etc. Nobody has released Terrorcon Cliffjumper yet.


Ok, why do I see Cliffjumper packaged in either mode on blue cards?

Car Mode = Hasbro
Robot Mode = TakaraTomy

The Cliffjumper released by TakaraTomy is the First Edition version.

QUOTE(ChessPieceFace @ Feb 7 2012, 02:31 PM) *
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 7 2012, 12:12 PM) *
Yeah it was the TakaraTomy one. The instructions didn't point out (at least I hadn't noticed) flipping that section out, and how his legs were supposed to fold at the knees to fit inside the car.

Randy

Yeah, the Takara instructions were terrible. I'm still not convinced I'm doing it right--the car's sides still bulge out way more easily than it seems they should--but trying to figure out how to get that toy from robot to car the first time using those instructions was just hopeless. There were clearly notes pointing out important non-pictured steps, but, well, I don't speak Japanese.

I think the Hasbro version, packaged as a car, would be much easier to deal with.

Did you fold the black parts of his legs down (the knees), as they fold down and to the side sort of like the below when transforming him?

Wrong
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Right
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Or a approximation of the above.

Randy
NightViper
QUOTE(Hasbro)
TRANSFORMERS fans,

As we greatly value our TRANSFORMERS fans and consumers, we appreciate the opportunity to clarify and explain the current situation with TRANSFORMERS PRIME First Edition figure availability in the U.S.

We very much apologize for the miscommunication with our great retailers in the U.S. Regrettably, as a result, the TRANSFORMERS PRIME First Edition Wave 2 Deluxe, Wave 1 Voyager and Entertainment Pack figures were posted for pre-sale in error. Final product was not produced for these figures to ship within the U.S. As such, any consumer who placed a pre-sale order with Big Bad Toy Store or Entertainment Earth in the U.S. received a note that their order had been cancelled and these orders will not be fulfilled. While it is common for Hasbro to cancel production and/or shipment of collectible figures prior to being listed for pre-sale, this particular situation was unique. We deeply regret this circumstance and understand your frustration.

We would also like to express that we hear the fan community in the U.S. loud and clear – you want these specific TRANSFORMERS PRIME First Edition figures. While we can’t confirm anything at this time, and the format in which these figures are packaged and distributed may change, the team is looking into ways to make these available at a later date in the U.S. and will keep the fan community and our retailers posted as opportunities develop. We want to make this right, and making these figures available to the U.S. fans is a top priority for the team. We greatly appreciate your understanding and ongoing enthusiasm for the brand and hope in the mean time, you enjoy the TRANSFORMERS PRIME figures that are hitting shelves now and in the coming weeks.


Regards,

The TRANSFORMERS Team
ChessPieceFace
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 7 2012, 12:39 PM) *
QUOTE(ChessPieceFace @ Feb 7 2012, 02:31 PM) *
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 7 2012, 12:12 PM) *
Yeah it was the TakaraTomy one. The instructions didn't point out (at least I hadn't noticed) flipping that section out, and how his legs were supposed to fold at the knees to fit inside the car.

Randy

Yeah, the Takara instructions were terrible. I'm still not convinced I'm doing it right--the car's sides still bulge out way more easily than it seems they should--but trying to figure out how to get that toy from robot to car the first time using those instructions was just hopeless. There were clearly notes pointing out important non-pictured steps, but, well, I don't speak Japanese.

I think the Hasbro version, packaged as a car, would be much easier to deal with.

Did you fold the black parts of his legs down (the knees), as they fold down and to the side sort of like the below when transforming him?

Wrong
Click to view attachment

Right
Click to view attachment

Or a approximation of the above.

Randy

Yeah, that was definitely a key discovery, after about 20 minutes of effort. At the moment, he's all put together with no gaps. Still, the car's side panels just seem like they want to pop out at the slightest touch.
ChessPieceFace
QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 7 2012, 12:46 PM) *
QUOTE(Hasbro)
TRANSFORMERS fans,

As we greatly value our TRANSFORMERS fans and consumers, we appreciate the opportunity to clarify and explain the current situation with TRANSFORMERS PRIME First Edition figure availability in the U.S.

We very much apologize for the miscommunication with our great retailers in the U.S. Regrettably, as a result, the TRANSFORMERS PRIME First Edition Wave 2 Deluxe, Wave 1 Voyager and Entertainment Pack figures were posted for pre-sale in error. Final product was not produced for these figures to ship within the U.S. As such, any consumer who placed a pre-sale order with Big Bad Toy Store or Entertainment Earth in the U.S. received a note that their order had been cancelled and these orders will not be fulfilled. While it is common for Hasbro to cancel production and/or shipment of collectible figures prior to being listed for pre-sale, this particular situation was unique. We deeply regret this circumstance and understand your frustration.

We would also like to express that we hear the fan community in the U.S. loud and clear – you want these specific TRANSFORMERS PRIME First Edition figures. While we can’t confirm anything at this time, and the format in which these figures are packaged and distributed may change, the team is looking into ways to make these available at a later date in the U.S. and will keep the fan community and our retailers posted as opportunities develop. We want to make this right, and making these figures available to the U.S. fans is a top priority for the team. We greatly appreciate your understanding and ongoing enthusiasm for the brand and hope in the mean time, you enjoy the TRANSFORMERS PRIME figures that are hitting shelves now and in the coming weeks.


Regards,

The TRANSFORMERS Team


Well, that's actually nice to hear. Usually Hasbro reps seem to be surprised when someone asks at BotCon why one toy or another didn't get solid distribution. I guess since this stuff really didn't get released at all, they were aware.

Now I can still hope FE Voyager Optimus gets a U.S. release at some point. With painted hubcaps please.
gargunkle
Better than nothing I guess, but in essence probably no different from any other time they really want to get a product out (like Animated Blackout).
Paladin
That just raises further questions IMO.


Why did they not expect to sell these items in the US???
Powered Convoy
That's nice they at least acknowledge it and the fact that fans were disappointed they were not released.

Randy
ExVee
The statement seems to boil down to "we decided not to try to sell these in the US, and that's why you couldn't get them," which doesn't actually say anything we hadn't figured out before. The only new information is the implication that there's not a stock of these toys in US packaging sitting somewhere waiting to go to TJ Maxx, which means we're screwed over for these toys completely now.
Phlis
QUOTE(Paladin @ Feb 7 2012, 02:54 PM) *
That just raises further questions IMO.


Why did they not expect to sell these items in the US???


Because the Toys R Us in the US did not order any. Takara and other Asian distrubutors got theirs, Canadian TRUs got theirs, but US TRU's didn't order any, so they never came to the rest of US retail.
GodmasterElvis
QUOTE(Hasbro)
While we can’t confirm anything at this time, and the format in which these figures are packaged and distributed may change, the team is looking into ways to make these available at a later date in the U.S. and will keep the fan community and our retailers posted as opportunities develop. We want to make this right, and making these figures available to the U.S. fans is a top priority for the team. We greatly appreciate your understanding and ongoing enthusiasm for the brand and hope in the mean time, you enjoy the TRANSFORMERS PRIME figures that are hitting shelves now and in the coming weeks.


Isn't this basically exactly what they said about Windcharger?
Master Fwiffo
They better live up on that promise to deliver them later. I'm ok with waiting a bit.




A LITTLE bit.
ZacWilliam1
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 7 2012, 03:15 PM) *
They better live up on that promise to deliver them later.


They don't promise that.

They say they're looking into possible options to release them.

Those are two very different things.


ZacWilliam, sees two packs next holiday as a possibility for Deluxes at least...
Phlis
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 7 2012, 03:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 7 2012, 03:15 PM) *
They better live up on that promise to deliver them later.


They don't promise that.

They say they're looking into possible options to release them.

Those are two very different things.


ZacWilliam, sees two packs next holiday as a possibility for Deluxes at least...


Didn't they also say this about the end of the Animated line? The did deliver on a few of those, but no Black Out.
Walky
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 7 2012, 03:15 PM) *
They better live up on that promise to deliver them later.


Promise, huh? I'm glad we're already misconstruing the announcement.
Master Fwiffo
DAMNIT DONT TAKE MY HOPE FROM ME
ZacWilliam1
QUOTE(Phlis @ Feb 7 2012, 03:28 PM) *
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 7 2012, 03:22 PM) *
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 7 2012, 03:15 PM) *
They better live up on that promise to deliver them later.


They don't promise that.

They say they're looking into possible options to release them.

Those are two very different things.


ZacWilliam, sees two packs next holiday as a possibility for Deluxes at least...


Didn't they also say this about the end of the Animated line? The did deliver on a few of those, but no Black Out.


The main difference is that at the time Animated was ending/over whereas Prime is literally just starting. They should have a lot more chances and time to try and fit these in. That still doesn't make it a promise though, but it gives us a better shot at a few of them at least.


-ZacWilliam, doesn't actually care himself, not really interested in any but Bulkhead and willing to wait to see the second version on him...
Chip
Pretty sure it all depends on how the Bumblebee/Starscream pack sells. If there's reason to do more packs like that, they'll come.
Jeremy
Problem is, I wonder how many people have already found other avenues for getting the toys, and won't necessarily care about a release later?
Octavius Prime
Well, I'd like to get the toys now, but there's a cap On what I'm willing to spend on FE CJ and I'm simply not going to pay the eBay prices for any others Voyager Optimus, Bulkhead, or the entertainment pack. But we have zero options on getting Terrorcon CJ (I'm not worried about the older Eradicon design).

The fact that we are (supposed) to get FE BB and Starscream in that two pack makes me hopeful, as does the fact that we're just now starting the TFP line. As someone else mentioned, this isn't quite like Animated where the show's over and there's no retail market for these toys.
Quantumhawk
This makes sense if you assume that the people who actually know anything about this told the PR and Legal people to draft a message so they don't get beat up at Toyfair.
Nanite
I actually think Hasbro will do what it can to get these molds to the USDM, since this is only the begging of the line, and it's an easy PR win for them when they do get the molds out.

Unlike with the Animated tail-enders, which would have been a struggle to fit anywhere.
Sean Whitmore
QUOTE(Nanite @ Feb 7 2012, 01:02 PM) *
I actually think Hasbro will do what it can to get these molds to the USDM, since this is only the begging of the line, and it's an easy PR win for them when they do get the molds out.

Unlike with the Animated tail-enders, which would have been a struggle to fit anywhere.


That's a pretty important distinction. People make comparisons to the unreleased Animated molds, but in hindsight, I think it was pretty obvious that when Hasbro said they were looking for avenues to release them, they were doing it in that "parents telling you your sick dog is going to go live on a farm" tone of voice.

That said, I could easily see us still waiting for the FE molds in 2013, and Hasbro saying, "Hey, we released the Starscream/Bumblebee pack, didn't we?"
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