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TM2 Dinobot
QUOTE(Adam @ Oct 17 2011, 01:51 PM) *
So I will assume the obvious default assumption, you will assume this crazy thing.

So... do we know if Rainbow Dash is Applejack's mom? They haven't mentioned it one way or another, and I can site some shows where there were surprises about parents, even some where the mother was the same age or younger, so it's just as likely that she is as she isn't ...

Thank you, Adam, for your condescension, especially after I offered an olive branch of maturity.

Allow me to try again: Neither of us have been proven right nor wrong yet, as at this point there is too little data to support either of our hypotheses. If/when that data appears, and be it in favor of your hypothesis, I will gratefully acknowledge my mistake, because that's how new ideas are brought forth.

At this time I will now leave this subject matter.
pao
QUOTE(Adam @ Oct 17 2011, 07:45 AM) *
Pretty good episode but I found it a little too derivative of "Party of One". I'm a little dissapointed the lesson wasn't that Twilight was completely overreacting. She created conflict for her own selfish purposes. There's no lesson to be learned here?

The show has done a good job of not blaming the ponies for their various mental health conditions, neither here, nor in "Party of One", nor in "Suited for Success." I think this is appropriate. The point could be that our social selves actually form a part of the mental health of others, and we should support our friends through those difficult times. The cartoony nature of Twi's particular neurosis notwithstanding, that actually strikes me as a sensitive approach.

QUOTE(Adam @ Oct 17 2011, 11:43 AM) *
QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 17 2011, 10:13 AM) *
<insert episode order argument here>
<insert riposte here, then lather, rinse, repeat>

The one thing we do know is that the show is intended to be, in the minds of the creators, unordered. Except for the pilot happening first, all bets are off, and the fans can basically make up whatever they want. Since there is no intended timeline to begin with, there's not much harm in imposing our own, and it has been a pastime in the MLP threads for quite a while. Why are we all worked up again?
TM2-Megatron
As far as the timeline goes, personally I'm going to think of everything in S2 has happening after the chronologically latest episode of S1. At least, until we're given some reason not to do so.
Pocket
You know, one thing I especially liked about this episode was the way the sun shifted across the sky in increments like a clock. I realize it was just meant to be a gag, but it actually makes sense that it would move that way. Celestia wouldn't want to have to keep slowly pushing it all day long, but if she has it enchanted to move on its own then she wouldn't be needed to raise it every morning. I'd like to think she has some sort of timer that goes off every hour or so to remind her to give it another little shove.
TM2-Megatron
Ponyville's windmill was ticking along like a second hand, too. It was pretty amusing; but I think just another symptom of Twilight's semi-delusional state.
nuclearsuplex
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Oct 17 2011, 09:24 PM) *
Ponyville's windmill was ticking along like a second hand, too. It was pretty amusing; but I think just another symptom of Twilight's semi-delusional state.


yeah, the sun moves smoothly at the beginning of the episode.. maybe Celestia gets distracted with all the mail.
TM2 Dinobot
I know we've all seen this, but some of these poses are really funny. I especially love Big Mac and Bonbon
Sobana
QUOTE(Nayuki @ Oct 17 2011, 03:20 PM) *
Hopefully I don't have to go over this again with you or Sobana, since it's starting to get tiresome.

Your right, I'm wrong, I'm sorry for my behavior. I don't know what I was thinking, I guess I was being kind of an... plot. *giggles*
Adam G
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 17 2011, 07:06 PM) *
QUOTE(Adam @ Oct 17 2011, 08:45 AM) *
Pretty good episode but I found it a little too derivative of "Party of One". I'm a little dissapointed the lesson wasn't that Twilight was completely overreacting. She created conflict for her own selfish purposes. There's no lesson to be learned here?
Twilight learns a lesson about taking things into her own hands hooves, taking things too far, trying to manipulate things to her own "needs", when not to use mind-manipulation spells...
The others learn a lesson about how just because a problem seems small and trivial to you, it could be monstrously large and important to them, so at least take the time to listen to them and not judge them for having a different order of priorities than you.
Yeah... I don't really agree with that lesson either. They were properly gaging the severity of the problem. No harm, no fowl. Maybe they could have been more understanding or try to talk their friend off a ledge, but having themselves think a silly problem is a big deal seems like the wrong approach.

QUOTE
And Twilight did learn she was overreacting, but it's not the first time she's had that experience.
How can she learn so much every week and still know so little?
mx-01 archon
So, just got around to watching the episode. The setup was a bit contrived, but the outcome was pretty darned hilarious.

I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned the rather blatant "24" shout-out. Pocket only just mentioned the countdown effect with the sun/windmill, but not in context of the reference.
Fero McPigletron
Looking at the fight pic, I remember Big Mac throwing off the crowd of fillies after the mayor takes Smarty Pants. Kinda brutal actually. He must have kicked them off and, strong as he is, it could have been fatal. Twilight did a very dangerous thing. This is ignoring the cartoon physics of durability for the sake of comedy.

I'm still wondering why Twilight didn't check if Pinkie would need help. Is it like the case of Boast busters where Flutteryshy wasnt around cuz she could have handled the Irsa Minor? Would have been ok if Pinkie was the one who gave Twilight the cupcakes. That'd give her some screen time.

Btw, I wish they explained the Bakers Dozen. Not everybody is familiar with the 12 items in a box when arranged in a specific way can leave space for an extra item to make 13.

And it was suppose to be 12 cupcakes, two each for the mane 6. Spike really wasn't included in the party, haha.
Adam G
QUOTE(Fero McPigletron @ Oct 18 2011, 12:18 AM) *
Btw, I wish they explained the Bakers Dozen. Not everybody is familiar with the 12 items in a box when arranged in a specific way can leave space for an extra item to make 13.

Hm.. I never realized this. I thought it was just a nice incentive some people did. Interesting...
Rezo
QUOTE(Pocket @ Oct 17 2011, 08:21 PM) *
You know, one thing I especially liked about this episode was the way the sun shifted across the sky in increments like a clock. I realize it was just meant to be a gag, but it actually makes sense that it would move that way. Celestia wouldn't want to have to keep slowly pushing it all day long, but if she has it enchanted to move on its own then she wouldn't be needed to raise it every morning. I'd like to think she has some sort of timer that goes off every hour or so to remind her to give it another little shove.
This image both amuses and satisfies me.
QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 17 2011, 10:42 PM) *
I know we've all seen this, but some of these poses are really funny. I especially love Big Mac and Bonbon
Looking at it closely, I notice how neither Berry Punch nor Colgate seem to have an idea on how to pull guard. Getting mounted way too easily~
Masked Toaster
QUOTE(Adam @ Oct 18 2011, 12:21 AM) *
QUOTE(Fero McPigletron @ Oct 18 2011, 12:18 AM) *
Btw, I wish they explained the Bakers Dozen. Not everybody is familiar with the 12 items in a box when arranged in a specific way can leave space for an extra item to make 13.

Hm.. I never realized this. I thought it was just a nice incentive some people did. Interesting...
That's how I remember it, although the story of bakers cheating with hollow bread also sounds familiar. I just more easily remember a story about a baker either miscounting (which may have just been someone cheating the baker) or they did what Mrs. Cake did.

QUOTE(Rezo @ Oct 18 2011, 03:57 AM) *
Looking at it closely, I notice how neither Berry Punch nor Colgate seem to have an idea on how to pull guard. Getting mounted way too easily~
Really? We just got past plot-shots, now you're going on to something even worse.
TM2-Megatron
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 18 2011, 06:03 AM) *
Really? We just got past plot-shots, now you're going on to something even worse.


lol, I don't think Rezo was making an allusion to what it may appear he was at first glance. The "pull guard" thing indicates he was just talking about how neither of them seem to be aware of that particular tactic when you're in the inferior position in a fight on the ground. Damn that Ask Berry Punch tumblr for making people think the worst when things involve Berry! icon-waspy.gif

Using the word "mounted" didn't help, of course. Even my mind jumped there, at first; and I've never considered my mind to be particularly inclined in that direction.
Copper Bezel
QUOTE(Adam)
Yeah... I don't really agree with that lesson either. They were properly gaging the severity of the problem. No harm, no fowl. Maybe they could have been more understanding or try to talk their friend off a ledge, but having themselves think a silly problem is a big deal seems like the wrong approach.

That's exactly the point, yeah.
Rezo
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Oct 18 2011, 06:08 AM) *
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 18 2011, 06:03 AM) *
Really? We just got past plot-shots, now you're going on to something even worse.


lol, I don't think Rezo was making an allusion to what it may appear he was at first glance. The "pull guard" thing indicates he was just talking about how neither of them seem to be aware of that particular tactic when you're in the inferior position in a fight on the ground. Damn that Ask Berry Punch tumblr for making people think the worst when things involve Berry! icon-waspy.gif

Using the word "mounted" didn't help, of course. Even my mind jumped there, at first; and I've never considered my mind to be particularly inclined in that direction.
Yep, blatant BJJ reference.

Although I'll admit that I had the 'Suggestive' missdirection in the back of my head when I wrote it. 'Mounted' is a perfectly technical term in the martial arts context, though~
Sobana
QUOTE(Rezo @ Oct 18 2011, 03:57 AM) *
Looking at it closely, I notice how neither Berry Punch nor Colgate seem to have an idea on how to pull guard. Getting mounted way too easily~

O really? lol
Sprocket
This episode was very funny.

That's all that really needs to be said.
Cybersnark
QUOTE(pao @ Oct 15 2011, 06:52 PM) *
I suspect that Twi's been through a lot, and she may have been as much driven into study (and away from having friends) through rejection by others as it being a genuine passion. Certainly, having seen her raw magic at work, her early career as a magic user may have been marked by a number of embarrassing incidents.

Naturally, some people would hate her for being a brain, others would fear her for being monstrously powerful and potentially dangerous (the Naruto effect), others would be jealous of her for her familiarity with Celestia, and still others would simply delight in pointing out her every failure just to make themselves feel superior (I wonder if she knew Blueblood. . .).

And then there'd be the insincere sycophants who try to "befriend" her so they can score karma points with Celestia. . .
QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Oct 15 2011, 06:58 PM) *
Well, there's the chance she was ostracized for being the teacher's pet, but that doesn't seem right for there, and how the ponies were trying to be friendly to her in the opening scenes of the first episode.

Like so. Were they trying to be friendly to Twilight Sparkle, or to the Apprentice of the God-Queen?

QUOTE(RoboViking @ Oct 17 2011, 05:24 PM) *
Clarifications, but not necessarily agreeing with your conclusions:
Nightmare Night and it's the Autumnal Equinox- when day and night are equal. The Winter Solstice is the 22nd of December this year IIRC and is the longest night of the year.

Though, really, the Winter Solstice would be a more logical place for a celebration of the night --Hallowe'en started out as a harvest festival (combined with a remembrance for the dead). The Equinox was the point by which all the crops needed to be in (because the temperature's dropping). The local Hallowe'en analogue would be somewhere between "Applebuck Season" and "Fall Weather Friends."

To really celebrate Luna as Celestia's counterpart, there really should be a feast on the Winter Solstice to echo the Summer Sun Celebration.

In fact, now that I think of it, having Nightmare Night in fall makes sense, since the Spring Equinox would also be a feast for Celestia (perhaps seen as the Sun growing more powerful than the Darkness).

So, that gives us four cross-quarters:
The Summer Sun (celebrates Celestia-as-goddess)
Nightmare Night (marks Luna becoming corrupted, and becoming Nightmare Moon)
*unnamed Winter Solstice feast* (solemnly celebrates/remembers Luna-as-goddess)
*unnamed Spring Equinox festival* (celebrates Celestia's victory over Nightmare Moon)

Given how she'd be remembered, I can easily see how Luna would want to do a little revising about what her feast days represent. Could also set up her appearance at the inevitable Christmas/Chanukka/Kwanzaa/Whatever Episode, talking about the "real meaning of the holiday."

QUOTE(mx-01 archon @ Oct 18 2011, 12:17 AM) *
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned the rather blatant "24" shout-out. Pocket only just mentioned the countdown effect with the sun/windmill, but not in context of the reference.

See, I took it more as a Majora's Mask reference.
Masked Toaster
QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Oct 19 2011, 07:58 PM) *
QUOTE(RoboViking @ Oct 17 2011, 05:24 PM) *
Clarifications, but not necessarily agreeing with your conclusions:
Nightmare Night and it's the Autumnal Equinox- when day and night are equal. The Winter Solstice is the 22nd of December this year IIRC and is the longest night of the year.

Though, really, the Winter Solstice would be a more logical place for a celebration of the night --Hallowe'en started out as a harvest festival (combined with a remembrance for the dead). The Equinox was the point by which all the crops needed to be in (because the temperature's dropping). The local Hallowe'en analogue would be somewhere between "Applebuck Season" and "Fall Weather Friends."
I thought Halloween originated from someone constantly causing mischief and was originally in the spring, but then the Christians or whoever, on a religious crusade, decided to move it to the fall, something to do with another date.
There was a documentary on it's origins last year on History channel, so I can't remember all the details, just that it originated from someone who liked to cause pranks and tricks, then was caught and executed, and to mock him, they dressed-up in his mask every year.
The change of date may have been something to do with St. Patrick's day, but I doubt it. I just know something was changed for religious reasons.

Maybe they'll have it on again this year, as the wiki only has references believing to link it to Irish, Scottish, Welsh, etc lore.
TM2 Dinobot
Christians don't move holidays. Nor do we make them up. We just pirate those that already exist in other cultures.

Though, to be fair, the Solstices/Equinoxes are universal to every culture on the planet, and older than sin itself. Christians just get a bad wrap for giving them 'meaning'.
Scavgraphics
QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Oct 19 2011, 07:58 PM) *
And then there'd be the insincere sycophants who try to "befriend" her so they can score karma points with Celestia. . .
QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Oct 15 2011, 06:58 PM) *
Well, there's the chance she was ostracized for being the teacher's pet, but that doesn't seem right for there, and how the ponies were trying to be friendly to her in the opening scenes of the first episode.

Like so. Were they trying to be friendly to Twilight Sparkle, or to the Apprentice of the God-Queen?


Lyra was one of them...though she was likely kissing up hoping that Twilight had gotten somewhere with the "Give Me Hands" spell.


QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 19 2011, 11:26 PM) *
Christians don't move holidays.

Well, other than their own.



QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 19 2011, 11:26 PM) *
Though, to be fair, the Solstices/Equinoxes are universal to every culture on the planet, and older than sin itself. Christians just get a bad wrap for giving them 'meaning'.

And chocolate. Don't forget the chocolate!


Sobana
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 19 2011, 10:38 PM) *
QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Oct 19 2011, 07:58 PM) *
QUOTE(RoboViking @ Oct 17 2011, 05:24 PM) *
Clarifications, but not necessarily agreeing with your conclusions:
Nightmare Night and it's the Autumnal Equinox- when day and night are equal. The Winter Solstice is the 22nd of December this year IIRC and is the longest night of the year.

Though, really, the Winter Solstice would be a more logical place for a celebration of the night --Hallowe'en started out as a harvest festival (combined with a remembrance for the dead). The Equinox was the point by which all the crops needed to be in (because the temperature's dropping). The local Hallowe'en analogue would be somewhere between "Applebuck Season" and "Fall Weather Friends."
I thought Halloween originated from someone constantly causing mischief and was originally in the spring, but then the Christians or whoever, on a religious crusade, decided to move it to the fall, something to do with another date.
There was a documentary on it's origins last year on History channel, so I can't remember all the details, just that it originated from someone who liked to cause pranks and tricks, then was caught and executed, and to mock him, they dressed-up in his mask every year.
The change of date may have been something to do with St. Patrick's day, but I doubt it. I just know something was changed for religious reasons.

Maybe they'll have it on again this year, as the wiki only has references believing to link it to Irish, Scottish, Welsh, etc lore.

Actually, part of that is true, but it was combined from many different cultures and traditions and just sort of blended together over the centuries. I don't think the traditional masks even came into play until the 1920s. Mostly just the harvest feast combined with keeping evil spirits at bay and what not. It comes from so many different cultures and religions it is hard to pin down the actual source that started it all.
Scavgraphics
Nothing says that it's 1 thousand years to the day...just on the solstice of the thousandth year.
Masked Toaster
QUOTE(Scavgraphics @ Oct 20 2011, 09:51 PM) *
Nothing says that it's 1 thousand years to the day...just on the solstice of the thousandth year.
Near the end, when Night Mare's confronting everypony (but more in Rarity's face), she does say it's been a thousand years.
TM2 Dinobot
Right, but is that to the day?
spikeriley
Rainbow Dash lets out a rainbow nuke on Applejack's old barn. That's a new meme right there.
Adam G
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 19 2011, 10:38 PM) *
I thought Halloween originated from someone constantly causing mischief and was originally in the spring, but then the Christians or whoever, on a religious crusade, decided to move it to the fall, something to do with another date.

Halloween isn't a Christian holiday. Why would Christians move something they're openly hostile towards and have no control over?
Masked Toaster
QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 20 2011, 11:59 PM) *
Right, but is that to the day?
It had to either have been that day or passed it already, otherwise, she would have said 'nearly a thousand years'.

QUOTE(Adam @ Oct 21 2011, 08:23 AM) *
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 19 2011, 10:38 PM) *
I thought Halloween originated from someone constantly causing mischief and was originally in the spring, but then the Christians or whoever, on a religious crusade, decided to move it to the fall, something to do with another date.

Halloween isn't a Christian holiday. Why would Christians move something they're openly hostile towards and have no control over?
No one said it was. From what I remember, an event was moved to try and 'counter' something that was felt to have dark motives. Or maybe it was All Saints day.

According to the online tv guide, it will be on History Channel again on the 27th at 8p EST, The Real Story of Halloween. And the description off-hoof calls it a Pagan holiday.
TM2 Dinobot
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 21 2011, 07:59 AM) *
QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 20 2011, 11:59 PM) *
Right, but is that to the day?
It had to either have been that day or passed it already, otherwise, she would have said 'nearly a thousand years'.

Right. I guess also it was 1000 years to the day. Why would Luna have stayed in the moon a second longer than possible?
Masked Toaster
QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 21 2011, 09:57 AM) *
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 21 2011, 07:59 AM) *
QUOTE(TM2 Dinobot @ Oct 20 2011, 11:59 PM) *
Right, but is that to the day?
It had to either have been that day or passed it already, otherwise, she would have said 'nearly a thousand years'.

Right. I guess also it was 1000 years to the day. Why would Luna have stayed in the moon a second longer than possible?
To pull a Majora?
Copper Bezel
QUOTE(Masked Toaster)
According to the online tv guide, it will be on History Channel again on the 27th at 8p EST, The Real Story of Halloween. And the description off-hoof calls it a Pagan holiday.

Apparently, it's arguable. It's definitely a Christian holiday, first and foremost.
Masked Toaster
QUOTE(Copper Bezel @ Oct 21 2011, 06:13 PM) *
QUOTE(Masked Toaster)
According to the online tv guide, it will be on History Channel again on the 27th at 8p EST, The Real Story of Halloween. And the description off-hoof calls it a Pagan holiday.

Apparently, it's arguable. It's definitely a Christian holiday, first and foremost.
Except the first line of that wiki says it originated from Celtic and Roman traditions, and the end of the paragraph says 'pre-christian times'.
So it's accepted by some followers of Christianity, shunned by some, and has traces to other cultures and religions. It's neither one or another, but an amalgam of parts.

QUOTE("http://www.history.com/topics/halloween")
Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in). The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. ... Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31 they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth.
Sobana
QUOTE(Copper Bezel @ Oct 21 2011, 06:13 PM) *
QUOTE(Masked Toaster)
According to the online tv guide, it will be on History Channel again on the 27th at 8p EST, The Real Story of Halloween. And the description off-hoof calls it a Pagan holiday.

Apparently, it's arguable. It's definitely a Christian holiday, first and foremost.

Well, if you want to get technical, there are no true Christian holidays mentioned in the bible at all, all the holidays Christians celebrate are taken from other religions or cultures and given a Christian theme in the hopes of converting people from pagan religions, later on it become tradition.
Adam G
QUOTE(Copper Bezel @ Oct 21 2011, 06:13 PM) *
QUOTE(Masked Toaster)
According to the online tv guide, it will be on History Channel again on the 27th at 8p EST, The Real Story of Halloween. And the description off-hoof calls it a Pagan holiday.

Apparently, it's arguable. It's definitely a Christian holiday, first and foremost.

Please specify what makes you think it's Christian. It's really not. Christians celebrate it. They also celebrate birthdays, Valentine's Day and Thanksgiving, but none of these things are Christian.

Really...

QUOTE
ChristianityChristian attitudes towards Halloween are diverse. In the Anglican Church, some dioceses have chosen to emphasize the Christian traditions of All Saints’ Day,[42][43] while some other Protestants celebrate the holiday as Reformation Day, a day to remember the Protestant Reformation.[44][45] Father Gabriele Amorth, a Vatican-appointed exorcist in Rome, has said, "if English and American children like to dress up as witches and devils on one night of the year that is not a problem. If it is just a game, there is no harm in that."[46] In more recent years, the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston has organized a "Saint Fest" on the holiday.[47] Similarly, many contemporary Protestant churches view Halloween as a fun event for children, holding events in their churches where children and their parents can dress up, play games, and get candy for free.

Many Christians ascribe no negative significance to Halloween, treating it as a purely secular holiday devoted to celebrating "imaginary spooks" and handing out candy. To these Christians, Halloween holds no threat to the spiritual lives of children: being taught about death and mortality, and the ways of the Celtic ancestors actually being a valuable life lesson and a part of many of their parishioners' heritage.[48] In the Roman Catholic Church, Halloween is viewed as having a Christian connection,[49] and Halloween celebrations are common in Catholic parochial schools throughout North America and in Ireland.

Some Christians feel concerned about Halloween, and reject the holiday because they feel it trivializes – or celebrates – paganism, the occult, or other practices and cultural phenomena deemed incompatible with their beliefs.[50] A response among some fundamentalist and conservative evangelical churches in recent years has been the use of "Hell houses", themed pamphlets, or comic-style tracts such as those created by Jack T. Chick in order to make use of Halloween's popularity as an opportunity for evangelism.[47] Some consider Halloween to be completely incompatible with the Christian faith[51] believing it to have originated as a pagan "Festival of the Dead".
How can you read that and think anything but "Not a Christian holiday"?
MyLittleEmpath
At this point, I really must ask if any of us actually care about this argument anymore. Can't we just agree that Halloween is a fun holiday and leave it at that? I mean, seriously, arguments are popping up over the most inconsequential of minutia recently and it's starting to annoy at least me, and probably others here. So can we please just let this one go?
RoboViking
QUOTE(MyLittleEmpath @ Oct 24 2011, 05:58 PM) *
I mean, seriously, arguments are popping up over the most inconsequential of minutia recently and it's starting to annoy at least me, and probably others here.

Uh oh. Someone should see if the Royal Garden is missing a statue...
Masked Toaster
QUOTE(RoboViking @ Oct 24 2011, 07:13 PM) *
Uh oh. Someone should see if the Royal Garden is missing a statue...
Empty pedestal surrounded by barbed wire and signs that say 'Keep Away'?

Nope, nothing missing here.
MyLittleEmpath
QUOTE(Masked Toaster @ Oct 24 2011, 05:07 PM) *
QUOTE(RoboViking @ Oct 24 2011, 07:13 PM) *
Uh oh. Someone should see if the Royal Garden is missing a statue...
Empty pedestal surrounded by barbed wire and signs that say 'Keep Away'?

Nope, nothing missing here.

You know what's weird? In all seriousness, these arguments did actually start popping up right around the time Discord appeared. Or at least, that's when I started noticing them . . .
Adam G
Dude it's the Internet. I thought this is what it was for.
Copper Bezel
I agree.

QUOTE(Adam)
How can you read that and think anything but "Not a Christian holiday"?

Okay, let me slow down a bit and clarify (and correct) my terms. By saying "Christian holiday," I'm being inaccurate in two senses - it's not a holy day of anything, and it's not a recognized part of Christian orthodoxy. I'll drop "holiday" first. But it is a Christian celebration in the sense that it's part of the Christian tradition, reflects superstitions derived from Christian faith, and has no other religious underpinnings. That's my understanding of the blurb I just read on Wikipedia.

I don't see any reason to consider the position of present-day religious orthodoxies on the celebration, because the above description relies only on description of historical influences. Present-day Christians can't speak for their four-centuries-dead.

I admit that I could be misreading something, but I was mostly going on the quote from Ronald Hutton, apparently a relevant expert, on Wikipedia:

QUOTE
Certainly Samhain was a time for festive gatherings, and medieval Irish texts and later Irish, Welsh, and Scottish folklore use it as a setting for supernatural encounters, but there is no evidence that it was connected with the dead in pre-Christian times, or that pagan religious ceremonies were held.


We already know that the name is Christian in origin, as is the precise date, since it's named for the Christian holiday it precedes (following a roving calendar of holy days defined by Christian orthodoxy.) The presence of a harvest festival is pre-Christian, but the association with the occult is not through an association with pagan ritual, but via the darker side of Christian theology. Souls roaming free and the whole bit.

It's less Odin, more Satan. That says "Christian holiday" to me, if that phrase can reasonably stand to mean "a festival from the Christian tradition." Maybe it can't, and I was being sloppy with the terminology. It's certainly not a pagan (pre-Christian) celebration in any real sense except in that everyone already knew that October was a great time to get drunk.
TM2 Dinobot
That's why I just go with Dia de la Muerte. People leave me alone and scares the heck out of "white" people.
Matenshi
QUOTE(Adam @ Oct 24 2011, 05:35 PM) *
Dude it's the Internet. I thought this is what it was for.

Waspinator
Masked Toaster
QUOTE(Waspinator @ Oct 26 2011, 09:11 PM) *
"But I thought you had it for AJ!"
TM2-Megatron
lol; Twi asked for it with that line.
Pocket
QUOTE(Waspinator @ Oct 26 2011, 09:11 PM) *

Now I'm imagining a scenario in some show or comic where the exact opposite happens: Someone says "You don't have to hide your feelings for me" believing the other person is in love with them, only to have that person bluntly give their unflattering opinion of them.
Sobana
Epic misunderstanding and silent awkwardness right there.
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