Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: 3DS Discussion Thread
The Allspark Forums > Crystal City > General Discussion > Insert Coin
Pages: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16
Undead Scottsman
Apparently Nintendo threw this up on their website just to make the internet explode.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100323e.pdf


3D without glasses? Craaaaaazzzyyy.

Hopefully it'll fare better than the Virtual Boy.
Ironbite
...wait what?
Shanghai
I can only imagine what crazy concept ideas people will come up with before it's actually shown. Some of those fan concepts of the DS got pretty odd, before we saw how easy a portable with two screens could be done.
D Buster Prime
QUOTE(Shinki @ Mar 23 2010, 03:23 AM) *
I can only imagine what crazy concept ideas people will come up with before it's actually shown. Some of those fan concepts of the DS got pretty odd, before we saw how easy a portable with two screens could be done.


It's probably going to use 3d laptop tech. Stuff with a limited viewing range and angle is kind of a pain on a laptop screen with multiple viewers, but perfect for a solo gaming device like the ds.

I expect the casing to be nearly identical to the DSi/DSiXL.
Rhinox
uh wow. Way to hamstring DSiXL sales.

Of course, this announcement shows why I was waiting in the first place, but I digress.
Bass X0
QUOTE(Rhinox @ Mar 23 2010, 12:20 PM) *
uh wow. Way to hamstring DSiXL sales.

Of course, this announcement shows why I was waiting in the first place, but I digress.


You just know when the 3DS is released, they'll announce the 3DS XL a few weeks afterwards.
The Predaking
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Mar 23 2010, 07:26 AM) *
QUOTE(Rhinox @ Mar 23 2010, 12:20 PM) *
uh wow. Way to hamstring DSiXL sales.

Of course, this announcement shows why I was waiting in the first place, but I digress.


You just know when the 3DS is released, they'll announce the 3DS XL a few weeks afterwards.


Yup.
Stungun
I was skeptical of the touch screen when it was announced, so I'm skeptical here. Let's hope Nintendo can do it right icon-waspy.gif
Liege
No no, you have it all wrong. After the 3DS it'll be the 3DS lite, then the 3DSi and then the 3DSi XL.
TM2-Megatron
It could use an extended version of this technique:



It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.

I'm really hoping the recently announced Gen V of Pokemon is moved to this system... the first two games might only be able to get a partial port, using the 3DS features only for some parts of the game. But releasing such a major title on a soon-to-be defunct system (even considering the 3DS will have backwards compatibility) could be a mistake. The 3rd version is almost certainly going to be a 3DS-exclusive that makes full use of the hardware.
PiratedTVPro
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 10:21 AM) *
It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.


I think it will be very similar to this, except use the camera in conjunction
with motion tracking software like WordFu on the iPhone does for simulated
3D. That said, I want to know how they're going to up the graphics ability
of the 3DS while remaining backwards compatible.
TM2-Megatron
QUOTE(PiratedTVPro @ Mar 23 2010, 11:29 AM) *
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 10:21 AM) *
It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.


I think it will be very similar to this, except use the camera in conjunction
with motion tracking software like WordFu on the iPhone does for simulated
3D. That said, I want to know how they're going to up the graphics ability
of the 3DS while remaining backwards compatible.


Well the DS improved graphics quite a bit while maintaining backwards compatibility with the GBA... they pretty much just kept all the GBA hardware in the unit, didn't they? Apparently it's all still in the DSi as well, even if lacks a slot-2 to make use of it (awful).

Supposedly this could be as powerful, graphically, as the Gamecube. In conjunction with 3-D without the hassle of glasses, it could be a massive success. Of course there are tons of people already complaining, but that also happened before the release of the original DS and we all know how that turned out. Hard to believe there was a time when people thought dual-screen handheld gaming "couldn't work", lol.

I'm hoping a port of Super Mario Sunshine is announced as a launch title... every older Mario title has already been ported to a handheld, and it's tended to be in order of original generation.
Sage of Lightning
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 09:21 AM) *
It could use an extended version of this technique:

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/h5QSclrIdlE&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/h5QSclrIdlE&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.

I'm really hoping the recently announced Gen V of Pokemon is moved to this system... the first two games might only be able to get a partial port, using the 3DS features only for some parts of the game. But releasing such a major title on a soon-to-be defunct system (even considering the 3DS will have backwards compatibility) could be a mistake. The 3rd version is almost certainly going to be a 3DS-exclusive that makes full use of the hardware.


This is actually the start of the hype up for the release of the new system, I'm thinking for the holiday season/fall. Gen V Pokemon will have been coded for this system and there are rumors/speculation of it(pokemon) being a launch title.
---The Rat
hmmm I can't remember where but I've read several times that the next DS is going to have accelerometers (like the wii, and Iphone) perhaps that will be used to help aid with that 3d effect
TM2-Megatron
QUOTE(Sage of Lightning @ Mar 23 2010, 11:38 AM) *
I'm thinking for the holiday season/fall. Gen V Pokemon will have been coded for this system and there are rumors/speculation of it(pokemon) being a launch title.


All that's been said so far about "when", is that it'll be before the end of March 2011.
awa64
QUOTE(PiratedTVPro @ Mar 23 2010, 10:29 AM) *
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 10:21 AM) *
It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.


I think it will be very similar to this, except use the camera in conjunction
with motion tracking software like WordFu on the iPhone does for simulated
3D.


Word has it they're using one of Sharp's Parallax Barrier LCDs. They haven't been used in many things because they're not particularly effective on screens larger than 4" diagonally, but for a DSi-sized system, I don't think that's an issue.
BlitzwingHaz
QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 23 2010, 04:16 PM) *
Word has it they're using one of Sharp's Parallax Barrier LCDs. They haven't been used in many things because they're not particularly effective on screens larger than 4" diagonally, but for a DSi-sized system, I don't think that's an issue.

Indeed, this article's a pretty good summary of what you and TM2-Megatron just posted: Eurogamer
I might just get this one right away, never ever got a DS and still sort of want one.

Still, Nintendo may be on a roll right now, but they're still responsible for stinkers like the Virtual Boy so I'll try not to get too excited.
TM2-Megatron
I'm liking the sound of that Parallax Barrier LCD tech for potential 3DS use... or perhaps a slightly more advanced version of it. Motion tracking via a camera or sensor isn't really feasible for something that's going to be widely-implemented in a handheld. Personally I don't want to have to be waving the thing around like an idiot if I happened to be using it on a train or airplane, lol; and the reliance on a well-lit playing area could get annoying, as well.

The article awa64 linked to was written 6 years ago; the implemention of 3D displalys has to have improved quite a bit since then... it seems the main focuses on that technology should be to increase the viewing areas from which a user(s) can perceive the effect. While I get the need for Nintendo to use relatively cheaper components to keep costs down, hopefully the displays they end up using give off a good stereoscopic effect. I'd think a 3.8 inch screen should probably be big enough for them... enough of an increase from the DSi, without exceeding the 4 inches that starts to stretch the ability of these screens to function effectively.
awa64
QUOTE(BlitzwingHaz @ Mar 23 2010, 06:05 PM) *
QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 23 2010, 04:16 PM) *
Word has it they're using one of Sharp's Parallax Barrier LCDs. They haven't been used in many things because they're not particularly effective on screens larger than 4" diagonally, but for a DSi-sized system, I don't think that's an issue.

Indeed, this article's a pretty good summary of what you and TM2-Megatron just posted: Eurogamer
I might just get this one right away, never ever got a DS and still sort of want one.

Still, Nintendo may be on a roll right now, but they're still responsible for stinkers like the Virtual Boy so I'll try not to get too excited.


The Virtual Boy is the only "stinker" Nintendo's ever released. Go ahead and get excited.
D Buster Prime
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 10:21 AM) *
It could use an extended version of this technique:



Yes, please!
skankerzero
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 09:21 AM) *
It could use an extended version of this technique:

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/h5QSclrIdlE&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/h5QSclrIdlE&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

It uses the DSi's camera as a motion tracker, changing the perspective on-screen accordingly. Or it could be something completely different... either way, this is great news to wake up to. The DS is a great system, but it's more than 5 years old now; and by the time this comes out it'll probably be about 6. More than long enough.

I'm really hoping the recently announced Gen V of Pokemon is moved to this system... the first two games might only be able to get a partial port, using the 3DS features only for some parts of the game. But releasing such a major title on a soon-to-be defunct system (even considering the 3DS will have backwards compatibility) could be a mistake. The 3rd version is almost certainly going to be a 3DS-exclusive that makes full use of the hardware.

I would make a survival horror game with this tech.
corgsopal
If that's the kind of 3D gaming they're going for with 3DS, I'll buy two.
D Buster Prime
QUOTE(Liege @ Mar 23 2010, 09:50 AM) *
No no, you have it all wrong. After the 3DS it'll be the 3DS lite, then the 3DSi and then the 3DSi XL.


And let's not forget that the first iteration will have a crappy screen, and we won't get a "nice, nice" screem until at least round 3.

Game Boy -> Game Boy Pocket -> Game Boy Light

GBA -> GBA SP -> GBA SP Backlight

DS -> DS Lite -> DSi/DSiXL
TM2-Megatron
QUOTE(D Buster Prime @ Mar 23 2010, 11:40 PM) *
GBA -> GBA SP -> GBA SP Backlight


No Micro? As pointless as it seemed, I actually eventually bought one. The 20th Annivesary Micro is possibly the most attractive device Nintendo has ever released... although I'm not sure why a Famicom-themed unit was released outside Japan.
Fenrir
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 23 2010, 07:21 AM) *
I'm really hoping the recently announced Gen V of Pokemon is moved to this system... the first two games might only be able to get a partial port, using the 3DS features only for some parts of the game. But releasing such a major title on a soon-to-be defunct system (even considering the 3DS will have backwards compatibility) could be a mistake. The 3rd version is almost certainly going to be a 3DS-exclusive that makes full use of the hardware.


I'm thinking that Nintendo's going to want to start promoting 3DS/3DS-compatible Gen V soon (next issue of Corocoro), so they can't wait until E3 for their full presentation and just threw up this quick and easy "By the way, we're making a 3D DS" message, so they don't get scooped by Pokemon.
TM2-Megatron
http://www.slashgear.com/tegra-2-confirmed...ources-1663572/

From November, but still interesting. I've been reading a bit about these Tegra chips, and they sound pretty impressive for use in a handheld. If the 3DS truly is going to use the Tegra 2, then it probably could out-muscle the Gamecube rather easily.

Seems like Sony is going down a similar route for the PSP successor as they took with the PS3. You could almost argue what's suggested in that article is too overpowered for a single generation leap, it's stated flat-out as being more difficult to develop for (as is the PS3), and out too late. Probably significantly more expensive, to boot. I like a lot of Sony's stuff... particularly PSOne and PS2. But I'm not sure what they're trying to do with all this overburdened hardware.
HeyMickey
Color me excited for this. I've been wanting a true upgrade to the DS for over a year now and whatever new features they want to make available on it are fine by me as long as it will still fit in my coat pocket. icon-hotrod.gif
Geoff
I recently got a DSi and i'm loving the DSiWare and downloadable games. so i'm really excited for the 3DSi. my only problem is transfering games you have bought onto the new machine. i was gonna upgrade the dsi to an XL version but that required me to post both machines off to Nintendo so they could take the games from the dsi to the xl. it was a big enough reason for me not to bother upgrading. I hope they have a simplified way to migrate games on to a new console with out having to buy them again...

QUOTE
Thank you for your email regarding the transfer the data from your DSi to your new DSi XL.

In order for us to transfer this data, we will need you to do the following:

- Your DSi and your DSi XL consoles must be returned to the Nintendo Service Centre. We will supply you with a freepost label to facilitate this return.
- A signed consent form that will be supplied to you with the freepost label.
- A copy of your proof of purchase for the DSi XL.

Upon receipt of the above, we will transfer your DSi Shop data from the DSi to the DSi XL. All content on the DSi will be deleted, as will any files on the DSi XL prior to transfer. Once we have completed the transfer we will return both consoles to you. Once we have completed the transfer we will return both consoles to you. Please note that for technical reasons we can only provide the transfer service on unmodified DSi consoles purchased within the European Union.

Please also note, before sending the consoles to the Nintendo Service Centre, you should remove or delete any private or confidential files or data (e.g. photos, flipnote creations, etc). By using this service, you accept and agree that Nintendo will not be responsible for any loss, deletion or corruption of your files or data that have not been deleted or removed. Nintendo strongly recommends that you make a backup copy of any data that you do not remove or delete.

Should you wish to take advantage of this transfer service, please reply including your full name, address, contact telephone number and the serial numbers of both of your consoles. You can find the serial number on the back of your consoles, and it should begin with the letter “T” followed by two letters, then 9 digits. The last digit will be in a small box. For example, it would look like this: “TEM12341234 [0]. We will then register your consoles for return and supply you the aforementioned freepost label and letter of consent.

Thank you very much for your continuing support of Nintendo.
TM2-Megatron
QUOTE(Geoff @ Mar 24 2010, 11:18 AM) *
I recently got a DSi and i'm loving the DSiWare and downloadable games. so i'm really excited for the 3DSi. my only problem is transfering games you have bought onto the new machine. i was gonna upgrade the dsi to an XL version but that required me to post both machines off to Nintendo so they could take the games from the dsi to the xl. it was a big enough reason for me not to bother upgrading. I hope they have a simplified way to migrate games on to a new console with out having to buy them again..


That's why I really don't care for downloadable content like this (I rarely just own 1, and I don't want to be stuck to having it only being usable on one unit)... and a big factor in why the DSi never did it for me. It has double the processing power and 4x the RAM of the Phat/Lite, and it never really had any (good) software that actually made use of anything beyond the silly camera. Since the vast majority of people still have the first two models of DS, Nintendo could never really risk releasing any major title as a DSi-exclusive without potentially alienating most of their handheld customers, and losing out on massive sales because only DSi owners could buy it. You know there've only been 2 or 3 DSi-exclusive cartridge games in the year tha the DSi's been out? Pretty sad, IMO.
TM2-Megatron
Here's an interesting vid I found while searching Youtube... some techie somehow managed to mod an existing display to allow it to function as a primitive version of the Parallax Barrier LCD technology that's being rumoured as the 3DS' method of stereoscopic 3-D without the need for glasses:



Obviously the videocamera only has one lens and can't perceive 3-D, but you can clearly see the monitor directing two distinct versions of the image at different angles, as he moves the camera right to left and back again. I'm eager to see what Nintendo can do with the more refined version of this technology, with the resources available to them.
awa64
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 24 2010, 03:46 AM) *
But I'm not sure what they're trying to do with all this overburdened hardware.


"Commit financial suicide."

They've lost more money on the PS3 than they made on the PS1, PS2, and PSP combined. It's driven their gaming division into a lifetime net loss.
The Predaking
QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 26 2010, 12:04 AM) *
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 24 2010, 03:46 AM) *
But I'm not sure what they're trying to do with all this overburdened hardware.


"Commit financial suicide."

They've lost more money on the PS3 than they made on the PS1, PS2, and PSP combined. It's driven their gaming division into a lifetime net loss.


They will make it up an more from BD though.
wonko the sane?
QUOTE(Tornadron @ Mar 26 2010, 02:41 AM) *
Can't imagine games being cheap so they had best be worthwhile. On the bright side assuming it is as powerful as Gamecube we'll maybe see ports of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UhmJe_YoSM

Those first three kinda spoiled my attitude... but yeah, I would TOTALLY buy portable versions of all of the rest.
Ironbite
Hell yeah I'd play a portable version of Smash Bros, Metroid Prime and Wind Waker.

Ironbite-hug yeah actually.
awa64
QUOTE(The Predaking @ Mar 26 2010, 08:10 AM) *
QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 26 2010, 12:04 AM) *
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 24 2010, 03:46 AM) *
But I'm not sure what they're trying to do with all this overburdened hardware.


"Commit financial suicide."

They've lost more money on the PS3 than they made on the PS1, PS2, and PSP combined. It's driven their gaming division into a lifetime net loss.


They will make it up an more from BD though.


No, they won't. The royalties on Blu-Ray go to the Blu-Ray Disc Association, not directly to Sony. And seeing how Sony owns less than 30% of the intellectual property related to the Blu-Ray tech, the BRDA isn't giving Sony anywhere near the generous royalties they get from CDs and DVDs. Sony's losing media royalties in the transition from DVD to Blu-Ray.

Plus, the PS3 hasn't been nearly as effective a trojan horse for Blu-Ray as Sony had assumed it would. They let Kutaragi piss away money on developing the Cell processor because they assumed the PS3 would be the unchallenged winner this console generation no matter what, and... it hasn't. Sony basically had to drop PS3 from its Blu-Ray strategy and replace it with tactical content deals.

The Playstation 3 is the single largest fiscal blunder in Sony's 64-year history. No amount of creative justification can justify it or spin it into a success, no matter how much you'd like to try.
TM2-Megatron
A few news sites are reporting today that the 3DS could be launched in October.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=243473

QUOTE
Nintendo's 3DS will be released a full two months in advance of Christmas this year, CVG can reveal.

UK industry sources have today informed us that the platform holder is readying an October launch for the system - which it will announce at E3.

That means it will go head-to-head with Microsoft's own great hardware hope this winter, Project Natal.

News of an October launch was a surprise for the execs we spoke to - as Nintendo had only previously announced that the handheld would hit shelves before March, 2011.

An October launch pre-dates that expiry date by a full six months - and gives Nintendo a three-month run-up to Christmas.

One very senior publishing source told CVG: "It's a surprise - we were expecting it much closer to Christmas. But I suppose it gives Nintendo the opportunity to get it front and centre in people's minds nice and early.

"In my experience, you don't launch a product that early to Christmas unless you're confident in it - and going to spend a lot of money on it. We're reassured that Nintendo is going to give it some decent backing in Q4."

The 3DS allows gamers to enjoy software with 3D effects without the need for any special glasses - but will also play regular DS titles.

Professor Layton developer Level 5 is reportedly creating a custom 3D game for the system.

Nintendo describes it as 'the new portable game machine to succeed [the] Nintendo DS series'. Take from that what you will.

CVG asked Cambridge University 3D experts how the device might work earlier this year.

We haven't yet got hold of a specific launch date - but Sunday, October 10 (10/10/10) is surely a front runner.

Nintendo told CVG today's story was merely "rumour and speculation". We get that a lot.


October falls within the September-November period that nearly all major hardware releases from Nintendo have been in the past 6 years. I would've thought November would be more likely, being closer to Christmas... but I guess what's one month?

If this does turn out to be true, then the 3DS could potentially launch within mere weeks of of Pokemon Black & White. As much as I'm looking forward to those games, I can't imagine they'll look very impressive next to the shiny new 3DS launch titles. I'm hoping for a port of Mario Sunshine, personally.
The Predaking
Neat!
Korcas
QUOTE(Tornadron @ Apr 20 2010, 02:30 PM) *
I hear grumblings about it being another system only Nintendo can profit from.
Nice attitude on the part of third parties there, condemning yet another Nintendo platform instead of doing their own thing.


It's not like Nintendo is innocent of doing that. They were pretty condescending and arrogant towards other systems when pitching their "Revolution".

It's business, it has nothing to do with being nice to your competitors.
Murry
QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:47 PM) *
No, they won't. The royalties on Blu-Ray go to the Blu-Ray Disc Association, not directly to Sony. And seeing how Sony owns less than 30% of the intellectual property related to the Blu-Ray tech, the BRDA isn't giving Sony anywhere near the generous royalties they get from CDs and DVDs. Sony's losing media royalties in the transition from DVD to Blu-Ray.

Plus, the PS3 hasn't been nearly as effective a trojan horse for Blu-Ray as Sony had assumed it would. They let Kutaragi piss away money on developing the Cell processor because they assumed the PS3 would be the unchallenged winner this console generation no matter what, and... it hasn't. Sony basically had to drop PS3 from its Blu-Ray strategy and replace it with tactical content deals.

The Playstation 3 is the single largest fiscal blunder in Sony's 64-year history. No amount of creative justification can justify it or spin it into a success, no matter how much you'd like to try.



To be fair, sony wasnt just developing cell for themselves. Sony, Toshiba, and IBM all thought at the time was they were making processors that would be able to go into all sorts of different devices and create connectivity between them all. It didnt happen that way obviously but the decision to go with a different, potentialy more flexable core architecture wasnt just one of arrogant indefferance
awa64
QUOTE(Murry the Evil Skull @ Apr 20 2010, 11:35 PM) *
To be fair, sony wasnt just developing cell for themselves. Sony, Toshiba, and IBM all thought at the time was they were making processors that would be able to go into all sorts of different devices and create connectivity between them all.


Yeah. That's actually happening, though not at the scale Sony had hoped for. IBM, for example, took the main core of the Cell chip (the PPE) and implemented it in a tri-core processor called the Xenon. IBM sells a lot of those to Microsoft for use in Xbox 360s. Sony paid for most of the R&D behind the processor in their main rival's (much cheaper) product. Whoops.

QUOTE
It didnt happen that way obviously but the decision to go with a different, potentialy more flexable core architecture wasnt just one of arrogant indefferance


I never said they were indifferent, just that they were arrogant. Sony had a bunch of great ideas for how to capitalize on the success of the PS3. They just forgot the bit where they needed to make sure the PS3 was a success first.
The Predaking
QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:47 PM) *
QUOTE(The Predaking @ Mar 26 2010, 08:10 AM) *
QUOTE(awa64 @ Mar 26 2010, 12:04 AM) *
QUOTE(TM2-Megatron @ Mar 24 2010, 03:46 AM) *
But I'm not sure what they're trying to do with all this overburdened hardware.


"Commit financial suicide."

They've lost more money on the PS3 than they made on the PS1, PS2, and PSP combined. It's driven their gaming division into a lifetime net loss.


They will make it up an more from BD though.


No, they won't. The royalties on Blu-Ray go to the Blu-Ray Disc Association, not directly to Sony. And seeing how Sony owns less than 30% of the intellectual property related to the Blu-Ray tech, the BRDA isn't giving Sony anywhere near the generous royalties they get from CDs and DVDs. Sony's losing media royalties in the transition from DVD to Blu-Ray.

Plus, the PS3 hasn't been nearly as effective a trojan horse for Blu-Ray as Sony had assumed it would. They let Kutaragi piss away money on developing the Cell processor because they assumed the PS3 would be the unchallenged winner this console generation no matter what, and... it hasn't. Sony basically had to drop PS3 from its Blu-Ray strategy and replace it with tactical content deals.

The Playstation 3 is the single largest fiscal blunder in Sony's 64-year history. No amount of creative justification can justify it or spin it into a success, no matter how much you'd like to try.


Here I thought that Toshiba was collecting most of the royalties for DVD. Regardless, DVD is on its way out, and Sony could either be a large part of the next format(Blu-ray), or have no stake in it(HD DVD). They chose to push BD and they sacrificed their gaming division for it. Make no mistake, the PS3 won the HD format war for them, considering that something like 80% of all BD players at the end of the format wars were PS3s. So while it might be a kick in the pants for them right now, they are working on making it better with more games, cheaper price, and pushing its multimedia functionalty. Of course by the time that the PS4 comes out(3-6 more years), I'm sure that they will have made money on the PS3.
awa64
QUOTE(The Predaking @ Apr 21 2010, 09:58 AM) *
Here I thought that Toshiba was collecting most of the royalties for DVD.


They are, but Sony was a founding member of the DVD Consortium too, so they're getting *some* royalties there.
Zedoben
QUOTE(awa64 @ Apr 21 2010, 01:38 AM) *
QUOTE(Murry the Evil Skull @ Apr 20 2010, 11:35 PM) *
To be fair, sony wasnt just developing cell for themselves. Sony, Toshiba, and IBM all thought at the time was they were making processors that would be able to go into all sorts of different devices and create connectivity between them all.


Yeah. That's actually happening, though not at the scale Sony had hoped for. IBM, for example, took the main core of the Cell chip (the PPE) and implemented it in a tri-core processor called the Xenon. IBM sells a lot of those to Microsoft for use in Xbox 360s. Sony paid for most of the R&D behind the processor in their main rival's (much cheaper) product. Whoops.

QUOTE
It didnt happen that way obviously but the decision to go with a different, potentialy more flexable core architecture wasnt just one of arrogant indefferance


I never said they were indifferent, just that they were arrogant. Sony had a bunch of great ideas for how to capitalize on the success of the PS3. They just forgot the bit where they needed to make sure the PS3 was a success first.

Sony didn't fund the development of the PPE. That was always IBM's baby. The PPE was simply an outgrowth of IBM's Power architecture, which has been used for everything from IBM's supercomputer line to embedded systems since the 90's. Sony needed a general-purpose core to coordinate the processing of the Cell cores and went with IBM to provide one. IBM just took what they had and made some enhancements so they core would play well in a multi-core situation. They would have likely done that anyway, given that multicore chips were already in development by competitors such as AMD and Intel.
TM2-Megatron
Some interesting (possible) 3DS news today. I guess someone came across something filed by Nintendo at the FCC, regarding the wi-fi abilities of the new handheld, and came across this picture in the process:



http://kotaku.com/5540446/nintendo-3ds-going-widescreen
QUOTE
Nintendo 3DS Going Widescreen?

An FCC filing submitted by Nintendo and Mitsumi, an electronics manufacturer, seems to be for the new Nintendo 3DS handheld. There's not much to it, but what there is should give hope to fans of widescreen gaming on the go.

That pic above there is most likely a testbed for the Nintendo 3DS. Since the FCC report it turned up in is for its wi-fi system, there's no information on the inner workings of the handheld itself, but as you can see, while most of the board is a mess of prototype components, those two screens stand out clear as day.

The bottom one appears similar to the existing bottom screen on the Nintendo DS. A regular aspect ratio, lighter and looking slightly "spongier" thanks ot its touch screen interface. But get a look at the top screen! It's widescreen.

Before you go jumping to too many conclusions, know that this is prototype hardware, so it's not what you're going to see in the final production model. It doesn't take an industrial design student to work out that, if the top screen in this case is widescreen, then when the 3DS ships the bottom screen will probably be widescreen as well.

As for the rest, while it's tempting to spot an analogue stick, be warned that this picture is as hi-res as it gets, so it's tough telling what most of those components actually are (aside from the obvious bits like the screens and speakers).

Oh, and one more interesting thing: buried in the FCC reports is a request by Nintendo that the guts of the handheld not be made public for a time period of 180 days, dating from April 2010. That timeframe would expire just before the Christmas shopping season...


There's no information on the actual hardware (other than what you think you can see on there) and as it's obviously some kind of prototype or debug setup, it clearly can't be taken as an indication of what the final unit might include.
Nyarlathotep
Dis Jive is gettin' serious.
The Predaking
Awesome! FF Legends to boot!
TM2-Megatron
QUOTE(Tornadron @ May 18 2010, 08:18 AM) *


A lot (if not all) of those "3DSxxxx" trademarks are probably just Nintendo covering their bases, more than anything else. Even if 3DS is the final name (which we don't know), I wouldn't expect more than 1 or 2 of them to actually be used.
TM2-Megatron
If that's true, I couldn't be happier. That level of power would be a dream come true for a handheld...even better than the Gamecube-level power rumours that were floating around a while back.
Punichu
The power suppy thing has me worried as this could be Game Gear all over. Kick arse graphics on a portable, but a portable you had to have plugged in all the time =/
---The Rat
QUOTE(Punichu @ Jun 5 2010, 07:30 AM) *
The power suppy thing has me worried as this could be Game Gear all over. Kick arse graphics on a portable, but a portable you had to have plugged in all the time =/

naa this is 2010 with laptops, and Ipad boasting 10 and 12 hours battery life, and they all use a crap ton of juice. I've no doubt that nintendo won't put out a machine that less battery life then at least a fat DS
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2013 Invision Power Services, Inc.