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updatedude
Good toy, recommended. Full review here.



mx-01 archon
Uhh, Dead End's wrists are fine. I've never heard of the hands popping out for no reason. And he has a properly defined crotch. Are you folding up his chest plate properly?

Anyways, not sure what to think of Dead End. Looks like a pretty good mold, but the movie-ized G1 aesthetic weirds me out.
Jeremy
I can't help but wonder why we needed a mini-Lamborghini in the G1 style, when we just got a perfectly viable mold a couple years ago that they could have used for something really similar to this. If they were going for something to please the G1 lovers, I see no real benefit to the existence of this mold over just doing a Sideswipe redeco.
Database
QUOTE(Jeremy @ Nov 19 2009, 09:59 PM) *
I can't help but wonder why we needed a mini-Lamborghini in the G1 style, when we just got a perfectly viable mold a couple years ago that they could have used for something really similar to this. If they were going for something to please the G1 lovers, I see no real benefit to the existence of this mold over just doing a Sideswipe redeco.


Probably becuase they don't want to flood the market with that mold? Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Alert, and Punch so far. One could do theoreticly both Brakedown and an alt inspired Deadend from the mold as well. And neither would really need head remolds.
MrBlud
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Probably becuase they don't want to flood the market with that mold? Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Alert, and Punch so far. One could do theoreticly both Brakedown and an alt inspired Deadend from the mold as well. And neither would really need head remolds.


Sunstreaker and Sideswipe were released two years ago, Punch isn't due out for six months or more in addition to being a fan club exclusive, and Alert isn't even on the schedule right now.

Perhaps you meant Cybertron Scattorshot. icon-arcee.gif
Detour
....

Did someone here just complain we were getting a new mold instead of a repaint?

Did I seriously just witness that?

Holy cow...




As a side note, I love Scouts and I love Scout cars (Clocker FTW!) so I will totally get this.
SkullGrin
Well... Didn't Don just draw a Breakdown that looks like a repainted Universe Sideswipe. I'm betting the movie one is a copyright placeholder and that we're getting a repaint/retool or something. At the very least I hope so. I can totally go with two Breakdown's.
Detour
QUOTE(SkullGrin @ Nov 20 2009, 01:00 AM) *
I'm betting the movie one is a copyright placeholder and that we're getting a repaint/retool or something.

Blatant homage tooling + blatant homage paintjob =/= "copyright placeholder".

A copyright placeholder is something like Armada Wheeljack or Blurr. The name just slapped on a bot so Hasbro can retain the rights to the name.

And Don's "Breakdown" would require the complete removal of an important piece of Universe Sunstreaker's engineering (ie his roof, which is needed for his altmode and his "dramatic head reveal") so it's incredibly unlikely that he did that because Hasbro was planning it.
Jeremy
QUOTE(Detour @ Nov 20 2009, 05:43 AM) *
....

Did someone here just complain we were getting a new mold instead of a repaint?

Did I seriously just witness that?

Holy cow...


The assumption that an undersized, kinda-sorta-G1-kinda-sorta-movie version of the character is the better choice simply because it's a new mold is totally wrong. If you really had to excessively feign shock over my critiques to make your point, then I feel pretty secure in what I'm saying.

And yeah, the market isn't flooded with the Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold when you consider that only half of its uses have been at regular American retail, and even that had a new head and an alternate chest transformation shown on the packaging. Let's not be dishonest here and pretend that Hasbro hasn't shown far more redundancy in the past.
Detour
QUOTE(Jeremy @ Nov 20 2009, 01:53 AM) *
The assumption that an undersized, kinda-sorta-G1-kinda-sorta-movie version of the character is the better choice simply because it's a new mold is totally wrong.

Really? He's bigger than G1 Breakdown. And what's wrong with having Scouts class homages? Honestly, now.

Plus, he's not supposed to be Universe Breakdown. He's ROTF Breakdown. Of course he's going to be a movie-designed version. He's got the Lambo stylings and the overall head design, plus the color scheme is pretty efficiently carried over.
He's a great homage.
MrBlud
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Plus, he's not supposed to be Universe Breakdown. He's ROTF Breakdown.


He's likely the only mass-market G1-esque Breakdown we're going to get.

Knowing that I'd much rather he had been a Sideswipe redeco.

I mean given the choice how many people would seriously take ROTF Thrust over the Botcon one?
Razorsaw
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He's likely the only mass-market G1-esque Breakdown we're going to get.


HA!
Sso02V
QUOTE(MrBlud @ Nov 20 2009, 02:03 AM) *
I mean given the choice how many people would seriously take ROTF Thrust over the Botcon one?


>raises hand<

New mold that's a real VTOL plane? Hell yea sign me up.
Detour
QUOTE(MrBlud @ Nov 20 2009, 02:03 AM) *
I mean given the choice how many people would seriously take ROTF Thrust over the Botcon one?

Apples and oranges. ROTF Thrust hardly carries over as many elements from the G1 design that Brakedown carries over.
MrBlud
QUOTE(Razorsaw @ Nov 20 2009, 02:05 AM) *
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He's likely the only mass-market G1-esque Breakdown we're going to get.


HA!


Considering this is the first one since 1986...

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Apples and oranges. ROTF Thrust hardly carries over as many elements from the G1 design that Brakedown carries over.


Cybertron Blurr over Animated Blurr then.
Jeremy
Eh, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Why is this Lamborghini randomly midget sized when a perfectly good scale of deluxe sized cars is already pretty well established? It's one thing when an odd alternate mode like a biplane isn't to scale, but we shouldn't randomly start having a bunch of cars show up in whatever size class.

The whole "it's not G1/Universe/Classics, it's ROTF" thing doesn't automatically excuse any design choices from being critiqued.
Detour
QUOTE(Jeremy @ Nov 20 2009, 02:12 AM) *
Eh, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Why is this Lamborghini randomly midget sized when a perfectly good scale of deluxe sized cars is already pretty well established? It's one thing when an odd alternate mode like a biplane isn't to scale, but we shouldn't randomly start having a bunch of cars show up in whatever size class.

Because Scout-class cars are awesome. See: Clocker, Dead End/Nightbeat.
Razorsaw
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Considering this is the first one since 1986...


Look at Legends Runamuck. He's obviously Brakedown too.

But honestly; saying you're never gonna get another of X G1 character is destined to be proven wrong.
Jeremy
"This is a G1 homage, so the character will get a shot again eventually" doesn't exempt what's coming out from critique, either.
Razorsaw
It does when one of the prevailing complaints is essentially a sense of being "gipped."
MrBlud
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Look at Legends Runamuck. He's obviously Brakedown too.


You mean the one in the non mass-market Target exclusive boxset? icon-arcee.gif

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But honestly; saying you're never gonna get another of X G1 character is destined to be proven wrong.


If we only get one every twenty years...
Razorsaw
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You mean the one in the non mass-market Target exclusive boxset?


Nevermind that a character's chances of being reimagined with a new mold have a correlation to 1) being prominent in G1, and 2) how many homages a character gets in a certain span of time.
Detour
So did you guys complain about ROTF Hoist too?

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Nov 20 2009, 02:29 AM) *
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Look at Legends Runamuck. He's obviously Brakedown too.


You mean the one in the non mass-market Target exclusive boxset? icon-arcee.gif

I'll see your Target exclusive and raise you a Transformers Collector's Club exclusive Nightbeat made out of unposeable old Energon Hot Shot.
Jeremy
QUOTE(Detour @ Nov 20 2009, 07:35 AM) *
So did you guys complain about ROTF Hoist too?

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Nov 20 2009, 02:29 AM) *
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Look at Legends Runamuck. He's obviously Brakedown too.


You mean the one in the non mass-market Target exclusive boxset? icon-arcee.gif

I'll see your Target exclusive and raise you a Transformers Collector's Club exclusive Nightbeat made out of unposeable old Energon Hot Shot.


I did complain just a little about Hoist, yeah. I think he's a superb homage fit in an appropriate scale, and a pretty good mold, but I was never crazy about the gun. I was still really happy to add him to my collection though, and the limitations of the mold don't stop me from being pretty happy with him as my Hoist.

On that note, as much paint as Club Nightbeat has, he's one I'm not really happy with. That's a mold that just didn't hold up after a few years of better stuff came out between Energon Hot Shot, and Nightbeat's release.

Lastly, I wish you wouldn't resort to pointing out ""fanboy complaining"" to tear down reasonable critiques. I don't think that's a good contribution to a reasonable discussion, it just contributes to hostility and a lack of acknowledging points that others are making. Everyone have a good night, I got on a de-cluttering kick in the house and already stayed up way later than I meant to! icon-hotrod.gif
Detour
QUOTE(Jeremy @ Nov 20 2009, 02:45 AM) *
Lastly, I wish you wouldn't resort to pointing out ""fanboy complaining"" to tear down reasonable critiques. I don't think that's a good contribution to a reasonable discussion, it just contributes to hostility and a lack of acknowledging points that others are making.

But you're not really making any point other than "ROTF Brakedown sucks because it denied me that Universe Sunstreaker redeco Hasbro was never planning to do in the first place"...
MrBlud
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So did you guys complain about ROTF Hoist too?


Both him and Dead End failed to completely blow me over.

I still have them in my collection.

I'm going to buy Breakdown too but would've preferred a Sunstreaker redeco.
Detour
QUOTE(MrBlud @ Nov 20 2009, 03:58 AM) *
I'm going to buy Breakdown too but would've preferred a Sunstreaker redeco.

...why?

They shared a similar altmode 25 years ago, sure. But ROTF Brakedown's altmode is every bit as Lambotastic as the Universe Twins's.
Don's horrifying art aside... they never shared robot mode aesthetics.

What next... Complaints that ROTF Bludgeon isn't a redeco of Cybertron Unicron?
Razorsaw
why would a Sunstreaker/sideswipe reuse be preferable to begin with? I thought people didn't like homages that just slapped one identity onto another vaguely similar identity. Oh sure, they're both lamborghinis in G1, but by that logic, RiD Prowl would also make a good Brakedown.
MrBlud
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...why?

They shared a similar altmode 25 years ago, sure. But ROTF Brakedown's altmode is every bit as Lambotastic as the Universe Twins's.
Don's horrifying art aside... they never shared robot mode aesthetics.


I prefer Deluxe's.

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What next... Complaints that ROTF Bludgeon isn't a redeco of Cybertron Unicron?


Not from me.

I give ROTF Bludgeon a pass because he's a Pretender.

Powered Convoy
Very cool toy. I still want a Classics version too, even if it's just Universe Sideswipe in white & blue - plus I'd like a Dead End inspired by Alternator Dead End - black & copper Universe Sunstreaker.

Randy
updatedude
Gracias to all who post here.

QUOTE(mx-01 archon @ Nov 19 2009, 01:25 PM) *
Uhh, Dead End's wrists are fine. I've never heard of the hands popping out for no reason. And he has a properly defined crotch. Are you folding up his chest plate properly?

Anyways, not sure what to think of Dead End. Looks like a pretty good mold, but the movie-ized G1 aesthetic weirds me out.


Of course, I exaggerate (much like Megatron did to Unicron). But the Dead End wrists did have a tendency to pop off, especially during transformation. Of course, as with any inanimate object, it was also dependent on the mis-application of force by the user, and once you get used to it, it doesn't happen all that much. But it's still a relatively noted issue with the mold yes? As for the crotch, again, an exaggeration to emphasize that Brakedown has more human-like proportions, despite sharing similarities with Dead End.

Anywho, I'd recommend Brakedown. He's not really movie-ized G1 so much as less movie than other movie figures. Much like Long Arm/Hoist was less movie style.

Now as for the other comments on this post, personally, my thought is this: Gimmeh toys!

I'm not usually someone who collects repaints, but Universe Sideswipe as Breakdown or RotF Brakedown as Sunstreaker, it's all good in the hood. So long as we get a cool toy outta it. Now, if only they'll release all new Scout molds for RotF Wildrider and Dragstrip... and then release a Deluxe Motormaster who is somehow able to merge with them all...
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