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ATLANTA (AP) -- Costco customers may have to look elsewhere for Coca-Cola products now that the retailer has stopped carrying them because the pair are fighting over prices.

The public squabble between one of the nation's largest wholesale club operators and the world's largest soft drink maker is likely to fizzle quickly. But it reveals real tensions as retailers and product makers square off on prices.

As shoppers continue to grapple with the recession, retailers want to win their favor by giving them low prices. But that has been creating tension between product makers like Coca-Cola Co., who are working hard to maintain profit margins while meeting retailer demands.

Typically such negotiations take place behind the scenes, but once in awhile, a public dispute erupts.

"Beneath this surface of harmony, it's a dogfight out there," Gerry Khermouch, editor of Beverage Business Insights, said Tuesday at an investor meeting held by the soft drink maker at its hometown of Atlanta.

Retailers want to wield more power in determining pricing with product makers, who they depend on to stock their customers' favorite brands, Khermouch said.

Costco has been aggressive in putting up signs on store shelves and notices on its Web site.

"Costco is committed to carrying name brand merchandise at the best possible prices. At this time, Coca-Cola has not provided Costco with competitive pricing so that we may pass along the value our members deserve," said a message on the company's Web site labeled "Price Alert!"

A Costco executive confirmed the move Monday but would not discuss the matter further.

The wholesale club operator, based in Issaquah, Wash., is not removing products like Coke and Diet Coke from store shelves, but it does not plan to restock them "until the matter is resolved," according to the message on its site.

Coca-Cola said in a statement late Monday it won't comment on ongoing negotiations but said Costco is an important customer and that it is committed to working with it "in a spirit of fairness."

This dispute is notable given the size and visibility of both companies, said Jim Hertel, managing partner at retail consulting firm Willard Bishop.

"It's not unprecedented, but it doesn't happen every day," Hertel said.

Earlier this year grocer Delhaize SA in Belgium said it would no longer stock at least 250 Unilever products because the food and consumer products maker was making "unprecedented" demands that would force retail prices up 30 percent, the two companies reached an agreement within months.

But the pricing pressure is more intense at Costco, whose business model is designed around offering lower prices than traditional retailers.

Hertel said most likely, the companies will recognize there is a mutual interest and will find a way to resolve it.

"These are complex relationships and hugely valuable," he said.

Who will win? Beverage analysts said don't bet against that famous logo.

"This is not going to bully Coke into changing its pricing strategy," said John Sicher, editor of trade publication Beverage Insights. "I think Coke is going to basically be focused on the right price and right market for its products, no matter what."


Personally, I think CostCo is big enough to get Coke to meek out a bit of a discount, but what do you folks think?

Jealous Beauty
Dake
I'm of two minds on this one. I see where the retailer is coming from, on the other hand, I see what this sort of heavy-handed retailing has done to our chosen hobby where Hasbro can't always afford to do things right b/c they have to offer their products up cheap enough to places like Walmart and gang.

Coke's a heavy hitter though, so it will be interesting to see how this turns out.
Taichi
Costco is wrong.

every retailer should be forced to buy at the same price, regardless of the size of the company.

Wal-Mart should not be given a better price than Frank's Carry Out.
Dake
I can't totally agree with ^ that either though. If you buy 1 million of something compared to someone else who buys one thousand then I think it's fair to expect a per unit discount.

What's not fair is when your discounted unit pricing expectations are unrealistically low - so much so that you demand any given item at or even below manufacturing cost, which is what Walmart tends to do (all while pricing it to the consumer at only a dollar or two below the other retailer who paid higher bulk prices).
Taichi
I don't.

I don't think having more capital should entitle you to greater discounts.

Frank's carry out can't afford enough units to compete, and because he can't compete he can't expand, and if he can't expand he can't remain competitive.

because he can't remain competitive, he can't turn a profit, and the bully wins.
Sprocket
Costco is one of the few retailers that actually checks their meat to make sure it doesn't have e. coli, something retailers like Wal-Mart wouldn't give two craps about. So much so that they've engaged in a constant conflict with Tyson, who doesn't want to pay to test their products.

Coke, meanwhile, generates tons of worldwide pollution, caused a major drought in India, uses shady plants in foreign countries that suffer from union disputes and are outright murdered for attempting to fight for decent wages and working conditions, and makes a product that is more effective as a solvent.

I don't really care all that much for either, but Costco seems the lesser of two evils here.
Jealous Beauty
Coke makes you fat.
Destron D-69
it doesn't cost coke any less per can, to make a million cans or 6. if they don't sell at cost or higher they loose money

that's simple economics.

who goes to costco to buy coke anyway? its not like you can drink a 45 gallon tub of it before it goes flat anyway
maximus prime3
QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Nov 17 2009, 05:32 PM) *
Coke makes you fat.

it also kills your little buddies
Msol
QUOTE(Destron D-69 @ Nov 17 2009, 07:47 PM) *
it doesn't cost coke any less per can, to make a million cans or 6. if they don't sell at cost or higher they loose money

that's simple economics.

who goes to costco to buy coke anyway? its not like you can drink a 45 gallon tub of it before it goes flat anyway


Um, simple economics does in fact say that it costs less per can to make a million compared to 6. Economies of Scale.
Destron D-69
... scale economics is the issue here. it only works if somebody chooses to work at a loss to gain later sales in hopes of making up the difference.

a coke factory making a million cans has the required workforce and materials on hand to do it. that day's work is factored into the cost.

if for some reason the next shift has everything exactly the same and only produces six cans... all that overhead is still there... but its upfront it doesn't make the free water, 0.3/lb cents of aluminum or the miscellaneous chemicals cost more retroactively.

scale adjusting is what Costco is demanding from Coke... except they want coke to take a loss on it so they can make a profit.. in order to promote 'a continued relationship'

its called extortion in other places
Hallucination
QUOTE(Sprocket @ Nov 17 2009, 05:31 PM) *
makes a product that is more effective as a solvent.

You realize orange juice is more acidic than Coca-Cola, yes? "Has acid in it" does not automatically make it unsuitable for human consumption.
Jealous Beauty
Imagine the impact this'll have on the backwards part of the country that calls all soda "Coke."

http://popvssoda.com:2998/
Destron D-69
yeah not to mention the other backwards part that calls pop soda
Jealous Beauty
Pop is what my grandma calls soda. Are you a grandma?
maximus prime3
soda is the way i say it, "coke" should only be used for cokes, and pop just sounds retarded, unless you are saying the full name, soda pop
DrSpengler
QUOTE(maximus prime3 @ Nov 17 2009, 07:24 PM) *
QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Nov 17 2009, 05:32 PM) *
Coke makes you fat.

it also kills your little buddies


Meanwhile, Pepsi will bring your dead ancestors back to life.
Jealous Beauty
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Nov 17 2009, 06:04 PM) *
Meanwhile, Pepsi will bring your dead ancestors back to life.

Mad Hornet
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Nov 17 2009, 11:34 PM) *
Meanwhile, Pepsi will bring your dead ancestors back to life.

But as zombies, though.
crazyjw18
QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Nov 17 2009, 08:33 PM) *
Imagine the impact this'll have on the backwards part of the country that calls all soda "Coke."

http://popvssoda.com:2998/


As part of the "backwards" region that tends to use coke as the generic term for soft drinks, I can safely say it will cause no confusion, as we have enough of that oh so rare thing called sense to figure out what is being spoke about through context.

Not to say this region isn't full of really really stupid people, but then again I've never happened upon a region that wasn't.
Crypt
QUOTE(Taichi @ Nov 17 2009, 06:27 PM) *
I don't.

I don't think having more capital should entitle you to greater discounts.

Frank's carry out can't afford enough units to compete, and because he can't compete he can't expand, and if he can't expand he can't remain competitive.

because he can't remain competitive, he can't turn a profit, and the bully wins.


so when you go to the store you never take advantage of the "buy 2 get one free sales?"

If you do, then you're a hypocrite
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