Picked up the Fallen a few minutes ago, got him out of the box...



The sculpt would have been great @ a 1/2 inch smaller l/w/d like Bw Inferno.

or up him a little and toss me in some sort of gimmick or hell his stick like bw Depthcharge


this feeling's been growing in me now since the tail end of Cybertron... LeoBreaker at the mega Scale would be ARM SIZED... and the loss of the STUPID electronic gimmicks could have left room to engineer and actual HAND...

while an Ultra class Vector Prime... could have had a more involved key feature.. and BOTH SWORDS...

I've only picked up 3 Voyagers in rotf... prior to this

Megatron... because its actually better then the leader ... but still not a lot of bang for the buck

Starscream... who can actually fit inside an old mega box... and is smaller then some recent Deluxe figures

and Mixmaster... who I really only got because he came with hoist. ....and is awesomely green and purple mmmmm




anywho.

Unless Hasbro canada ever gets off its ass and makes stores sell me Animated Wreck-gar I'm done buying "voyagers" ...

maybe a 6inch 7of 9 ... but that's stretching it ...

I personally have no problem with Voyagers.

Leobreaker was originally built with like four gimmicks and they stripped it down to just two late in the game, so he's a wreck. He should've been a deluxe; that size would actually have made him useful without looking too small.

Mixmaster's a mess of panels. Can't say I'm fond of him, BUT, on the other hand, there's Long Haul who is very good and really warrants the size.

Plus, the Voyager size served us well during Classics and once in Universe (Inferno), so that helps.

I love the hell out of Mixmaster, and I think he's really indicative of just how much you squeeze out of the size class.

I don't know, I think Voyagers are currently great, only beaten by Deluxes because those are more numerous.

I do miss the Beast Era Mega scale though. but we have gotten enough Voyagers that are around the same size, with benefit from more detailing and durability that the high price affords.

This, although the learning curve to getting the hang of tfing ROTF mixmaster is steep.

He's definitely got a learning curve. But it's not as bad as Leader Prime, as that once you do master him, he doesn't have that issue of parts vying for the same physical space at the same time. Whereas Prime, even when you know what you're doing, the parts still take a bit of fighting to get into the right spot.


I do miss the use of Ultra as a size class, though. Demolishor at least should have been bigger (I don't maintain illusions that he would ever be produced at Leader/Supreme/Ultimate scale). I wasn't exactly enamoured of its use in Universe, though, what with the electronics-laden designs, rather than using the size of the toy for extra engineering space.

Voyagers aren't disappointing, Deluxes are just awesome.

It's frankly Ultra that I haven't been so enthused with since Energon ended. Most of the Cybertron Ultras didn't really do anything, I feel, that a Voyager couldn't have, other than be physically bigger...the complexity or playability didn't jump a level. Same for Universe. By contrast, the Energon Ultras had added playability that was very easily discernible from that of the Voyagers; Scorp was a triple changer, Landmine/Quake and Bulkhead/Quickstrike were large enough figures already, with added equipment.

Cybertron Defense Red Alert was pretty awesome, though. Scourge looked awesome, but didn't do much. Never bothered with Jetfire.

Red Alert was awesome...heck, all of those guys were pretty great robots...but I can't really think of anything they did action feature-wise or in terms of transformation to justify the higher price point. As Ultras, they were bigger and had electronics, explaining the higher prices...just can't say either of those qualities is a must for me.

some times it just feels like the 'dumping ground' class...

to big for deluxe... add some paint and toss it in a voyager box...

not big enough for leader class... toss it in the voyager bin ...

I'm not entirely sure the problem can be solved by going back to the two old levels...

but hey, if anyone can help me around this 'mental block of discontent' its my fellow allsparkers.

any Voyagers out there that could show me what the scale "can" get right?

i don't quite understand what the complaint is.

i don't mind the voyager class figures.

aren't mega and voyager the same thing>? god i hated that work (mega)

Megas were smaller in the Beast Era. They were upsized in price and had electronics added in Armada. During Cybertron, they were renamed Voyagers, and with Classics, the electronics were removed.

the complaint is I feel the disparady between the range of figures offered at the 'voyager' scale would be better served buy going back to the two classes we had in the beast era that were

a: Mega -slightly smaller then the average voyager

b: Ultra -slightly larger then the average voyager

because with the single price point we seem to get figures that are either slightly big deluxes (like Starscream), or smaller leader class figures with flaws that could obviously be fixed with the additional money of a larger class (like the fallen).

I had a thread similar to this earlier in the year, basically complaining about how much less you get for your dollar with the current (i.e., late-Cybertron to now) Voyagers. The last decent size Megas/Voyagers we got with electronics were in Energon - Cliffjumper, Ironhide, Jetfire, Shockblast, and Mirage are all pretty great figures who incorporated electronics for about $19.99.

Cybertron saw only a handful of big, electronics-toting Voyagers -only Vector Prime and Leobreaker really come to mind. Most others were rather small (at least in height) compared to the Energon or Armada Megas/Maxcons before them.

As it stands, though, I'm fairly fond of the current crop of voyagers. The Fallen sure doesn't do much, but he looks cool and is taller than Leader Jetfire at the head. Megatron is a lot of fun. Mixmaster looks great in both (yes, both) modes and is fun to transform once you know where things go. Long Haul just looks cool, even if that whole shoulder/backpack assembly could be better. The only real unfortunate thing is that, in the entirety of ROTF (so far, anyway) there has been only one new Autobot voyager - and he's an off-screen character. Sure, the HA toys kind of make up for that, but they're not the same thing.

I'll also say I'm really looking forward to both Mindwipe and Bludgeon. Both look to use their mass very well.

I like the ones I get.
Electronics don't belong in any figure to me. They almost always can be thought to get in the way somehow, and I take the batteries out because there is usually some switch that is super easy to flip and very annoying. Leaders hold their electronics much better than smaller toys.

I don't like scouts much.
Its really only because of the bot mode packaging. It just takes the interest out of a toy for me.
Also I can't help but compare them to the 5$ basics of years ago. I know its mostly inflation and all, but I can't help feeling the scouts are too expensive.

I think deluxe has been the best class overall.
The 15$ class was fun too.

I don't have any to compare, but in my memory Movie voyagers and BW ultras seem pretty equivalent. Maybe the voygers are a tad smaller...

I don't really get how you see ROTF Starscream as a slightly bigger Deluxe. Sure, he may not be too tall, but he's nice and wide, and the jet mode is certainly way bigger than a Deluxe.

As for the Fallen, I think he's just about a perfect toy at the size. The only flaw I see is the spring-loaded feet like with the first Movie Voyager Megatron. But that's less a flaw from the size as it is just a badly done gimmick.

this is what I mean.

Inferno there turned out to be one of the smaller single figures ever put in a mega box ( bm megatron )

paying Mega Price for Starscream would have been a nice deal... but instead we get him at voyager price and he's smaller then the previous version. Fallen is huge in comparison, but is Half the toy Starscream is.

at the ultra price point he could have been a 'whole' figure. but again as I've said... having him in the voyager price point (since that's all there is) means that for the same money that we spent on Starscream we get less for our more.


perhaps Transquito or Cybershark would have been better megas to use?

happy to see I'm not the only one seeing this Octoberus.... just took me a little longer to admit it to myself I guess.

Inferno is... not that small. And Starscream is bigger than him in pretty much every way, so I'm still not sure how you see him as "large deluxe-sized".

I think a lot of people got used to Armada era figures at that price range. All of them were generally pretty big, it wasn't until Cybertron, and especially Classics on that that price point seemed to be getting smaller.

Of course, they lost electronics in favor of better molding, so even if they may be a little on the small size at times, it's not really that bad.

sorry guys I think i've confused you.

I'm saying 'large deluxe' and 'small ultra' as my way of saying

1. A voyager priced figure that is on the small end of the range and could benefit from being a larger figure in a smaller class that doesn't exist anymore

2. A voyager priced figure that is on the bigger end of the range and could be improved with the added allotment given to a bigger price point that also does not exist.

I can't seem to find a middle ground while tring to explain what I'm thinking ... I either confuse people with my shorthand or annoy them with my long-winded-ness.

Using totally wrong terms certainly won't help explain things, so it'd be better to just describe it more accurately. Deluxe is the 9.99 or so range toys, so saying large deluxe will naturally mean to everyone something like Cyb Hotshot.

So I guess the best solution woudl be just to say BW mega size and modern ultra size if you want to eliminate confusion. That's not too long winded, and most people will know the reference. A voyager with more allotment is pretty well the definition of the modern ultras, as they often aren't much bigger in size than a voyager.

For example if you said Voyager Classics Prime feels like a BW mega sized figure, most everyone will understand.

So true.





Well, in robot mode, anyway!