From 2005.

No surprise, since they told us it was coming at Botcon. Gotta love TFormers' reaction.

Awesome. I'm glad to see it's in one big box, instead of individual carded Legends in a wave or something. Surely it'll be an exclusive somewhere, with that odd packaging... hopefully Target, hopefully under $30.

Can anyone see any differences between this and the Japanese version? If not, then I'll just have to get one.

Walmart is easier for me to get to, so I hope it's a Walmart Exclusive.

Hooray for fans cherry picking info to make it sound like the rights holder treats them like an abusive pimp.




'Sides, we all know that it's more the case for Bandai and Gundam fans

Yay - glad to see he's still coming over here. I canceled my pre-order for the Taktomy version when Hasbro said "Definitely".

Hooray, so glad to see that this thing really is coming out in the US. And all in one box, too, so no need to hunt down seven individual toys. Hopefully it'll cost less than seven legends, too.

Well, again the only version of a character I'll be getting from ROTF will be the Legends.

Anyone know if you can make the gun emplacement from Legends Mixmaster?

Bought without a moments hesitation.

When Hasbro first confirmed that they were releasing the Legends Constructicons, they said it would be as a giftset, and most likely a store exclusive.

Good, now I don't feel so bad passing up on the Japanese versions.

I think anyone with common sense knew that Hasbro is into the Legends size class, and it would be smart to wait. Good to see confirmation.

Great! one box, now I won't have to buy them all separately.

After the hilarity that was trying to collect the Energon combiners... I don't think we'll see any gestalts outside of giftsets anymore.

So bought.

I'm gonna lose so much time at work with these. Do I display in alt modes? As robots? Combined? All of the above, of course.

it's rare the legends class gets my attention, but I will be happy to get this set.

I'm cutting back on collecting - really, I have 2 ROTF toys, and the only other one that has me excited is Leader Starscream - but this is a definite maybe.

Heh, I already have the Japanese ones coming this month.

Oh well, money for the economy.

The sooner this comes, the better. I can't justify getting that $100 Devastator, but this is easily justified, and much more welcome.

Now, here's hoping they announce who's selling this soon, and that it's not a K-Mart exclusive.

If it is a K-mart exclusive I'm happy to pick them up for people for cost and shipping. No markups. no excuses!

I'd be ecstatic if it was a K-mart exclusive as I'd waste no gas whatsover stopping to check every single day.

The odd packaging looks a lot like Supreme Devestator's odd packaging.

Wait, people thought this was a rumor up to this point?

How is it that you people so fervently believe in the worse possible rumors as facts you'd argue to the grave, only to be proven wrong time and time again and still fall into the pattern of believing in the same types of things and reacting in the same "oh woe is life" way, and all the pure verifiable awesome is still "rumor" up until the very end?

Strange.

So, I'm thinking... Voyager price?

Speaking of Legends Dev, He's finally in stock again in Japan. My HLJ order is processing, I should hopefully get it by the end of this coming week.

i seriously cannot wait for this.

i had preordered it a while ago, but cancelled it after i heard that hasbro was looking into bringing it over.

i love the packaging.

i am still amazed that they decided to give the legends devastator bot alt and combiner modes.. yet couldn't do it for the large version.. hell.. each of the legends figures is relatively accurate in each mode.. including the combined mode.


it's weird. the smaller figures and stuff seem to be geared more towards kids.. then you get to the voyager class, human alliance, and leader class figures, those seem to be geared more towards the older fans/collectors. then there's devastator.. you'd think that that'd definitely be a more collector geared type figure.. but no.. there aren't any robot modes.. the vehicle modes aren't very accurate, there aren't many paint applications, and lastly.. the transformations for each component is extremely easy.

i still wonder why they did it this way. i know they said that individual robot modes would've cost too much.. but i don't believe that. they're rolling in money. they also said that each figure would be individually released.. well.. we have four out of the movie accurate 8.. so that can't be the reason.. i mean with rampage.. rampages alt mode type wasn't even a part of devastator.

anyways.. sorry for the rambling. i have devastator.. i like it.. but it could have been a million times better and more epic.

You don't know how often I've cringed about this very thing. Hasbro confirm something at BotCon, one week later it's "I believe Hasbro said this somewhere a while ago", and a week after that it's reduced to "rumor" status.

I've seen people refer to things we've had visual evidence and even announcements on Hasbro's official website for as "rumors".

I've also seen people still directly refer to stuff I've provided chunks of evidence for as "rumors" because obviously I'm just speculating like everyone else, and me citing sources makes me no more "right" than someone just relying on his own faulty memory and wild imagination.

Seven legends? Don't bet on it. Probably $30-35.

I'm betting $35 as well, they're normally around $5 apiece on average.

$30 is voyager price here in Canada

We're talking US dollars.

I'm fairly sure it'll use the same $34.99 pricepoint that the deluxe/voyager exclusive pairs have been using.

weren't the target superion & bruticus sets $29.99?

i assume that this figure should be at least cheaper than that.

for a combiner that's as short as a deluxe figure.. it should be at most $24.99-$25.99.. but i'm sure it'll be $30+

the superion & bruticus sets consists of like.. 4 scout sized figures and a deluxe right? so that's about $8x4+$12 which is $44. so i doubt that they are going to say.. okay that's 7 legends class figures @ $5 each.. so we'll make the set $35.

the target "straightaway shootout" set goes for $19.99 @ target. and consists of 5 legends figures.

but hey.. it certainly could be in $30+ range.. lets just hope it's not. and i really hope it's a target exclusive.

It probably just depends, but I'd say Target is the best chance of getting it at some kind of slight discount. Legends figures are around $6 at K-Mart, and the aerial Legends four pack was around $25. Wal-Mart hasn't been anything special on exclusive prices lately either.

Still, we're talking a $5-$10 difference for a set of toys that would have cost far more to import as the only other option before this, and I'm not going to complain a lot if they cost what the figures would separately on U.S. shelves. If you've already been buying Legends up until this point and you desire the Devastator set, it's not a big deal.

You also hafta take into account that the sets you just mentioned are straight repaints which CAN be cheaper while Devy is a whole new toy never before released in the U.S market. I can't see a new mold costing anything less than it's counterparts(other Legends) simply because it's exclusive.

so then should masterpiece starscream have cost more?

it was a new mold to the US and it was only $50.

The large version costs only three times as much, but has probably fifty or one-hundred times as much plastic, and electronics. I'm not at all surprised that for three times the price a toy that is much more than three times as large and complicated doesn't have every feature of the smaller toy.

I still think the big guy was a design and marketing mistake, mind you. I just also think that if you put the two Devastators beside each other and stopped to think about how close they are in price, you wouldn't be at all surprised that the large toy has no individual robot modes.

That all assumes a $20+ price point, of course. Frankly, if the Energon combiners, which are only one component fewer but are tons larger and more complicated, cost $30, then I'd feel pretty ripped off to pay more than $20 for mini-Devastator, and even that's pushing it.

*edit* oops, double-quoted.

Self-defeatism? Or self-hate? Or something about too-good-too-be-true-...uh... ism? Or maybe they're just angry and need an excuse to gripe about something, and when there is none, they make up one so they can have an excuse to be angry?

To be perfectly honest, sometimes it gets to a point when the bandwagon gets so bad even I start questioning what I saw or didn't see at Botcon.

Feh, just think about it this way: when they're all still trying to figure out if it's still a "rumor" or not, we'll know enough to be looking for it in stores and get it first.

And something as awesome as this: MUST be bought. Hell, I'll pay friggin Supreme Prices for it I don't care! The first* fully-functioning Movie-verse combiner is an epic WIN.


*(First, assuming it comes out before the third Arcee component).


And to answer y'all's question about why they didn't do the fully-functioning combiner at the Supreme level, Hasbro's answer at Botcon was thus: "Accuracy." That, and then wanted to maximize the playbility of both the components and combined form, and both would be sacrificed if they made a fully-functioning combiner. They said they just couldn't do it and have the same level of awesome as the Constructicon components are now.

Now for the Legends level, I'm assuming that no one is really expecting the same level awesome in that size class, so they do make the fully functioning, because accuracy is no longer a requirement at this level. So yeah, playbility at both levels suffer for the Legends, but since we're not expecting much at this level anyway, they can get away with it by offering up another brand of awesome besides accuracy: COMBINING!

Mmm. I do believe I want this.

I seem to remember Screamer costing around $60 when he came out but my memory is getting so crappy right now I'm probably misremembering.

Anyway MP Starscream, if he was indeed $50 when first released, had no other figure in that size class to match up to price wise. His closest counterparts would've been either Leader size, or Supreme size, and since you stated he was $50 then Hasbro decided to figure Screamer as a Supreme figure. Personally I felt he was more Leader size, so yeah I think he was a little pricey, ah well.

Yeup, I've settled on getting this guy as my Movie Devastator; between this upcoming release and the individual Constructicons they did, I'm pretty satisfied in that department. Like I care about scale at this point, anyway...I still was a little hung on the robot mode sizes being semi-accurate when I used to play with the toys together (i.e. staging battles), but at this point, I tend to focus on transforming/posing one or two TFs at a time, so it's more or less a non-issue. Hence going with HA for certain characters, Legends for this dude, deluxe for others...etc.

The big one isn't bad, but I don't really have the room, and have other things I'd rather spend the money on.

masterpiece starscream isn't even close to leader size. he's much closer to an ultra.. $25-$26.


it really bothers me that they couldn't pull this supreme devastator thing off.

i mean, power up prime is just about as tall as devastator. i remember reading that devastator was supposed to be like 3'-4' tall & wide.. yet he's not even 2' tall. i would have paid $150 for him if he was much larger, or was the same size but was a proper combiner.


i wish they had made each of the components separately, releasing each figure in the first like 5 waves of voyagers. that way they could've spent the time & energy to make something nice.. they wouldn't have to deal with people passing on it because of the $100 price point. every few weeks or so people would only have to shell out $20-$45, not to mention you'd be getting something that can stand on it's own as a figure AND combine with other figures to become a kick ass giant robot. sure there would be a lot of anticipation to get each component, but the fact that that component is a complete figure with a bot, alt, & combined mode would ease the pain and increase the anticipation. sure it might not be as large as it could be.. but the supreme devastator certainly isn't very large. plus they could've made scavenger into a leader sized figure. people would buy it because they'd want the set.

sorry for my jumbled thought process. i just think that they had a chance to do something quite epic but completely failed.

right now (@ retail price) people are paying $100 + tax for 1 mode. the alt modes of each component are quite bad. so i doubt anyone displays supreme devastator in it's vehicle modes (which aren't very accurate).

bottom line is.. the supreme devastator is EXTREMELY inaccurate in both modes, undersized, and overpriced for what it is. with my idea sure you'd be paying more (not all at once though).. but for a better figure that consists of several figures that on their own are good.

Wooo. Glad I waited. Although, now that we are getting this, Japan is one-upping us by releasing a red version of Rampage.

I'm also really glad they are doing a single package deal for all these. Still, given the size, I am hopping for a $25 price point at most. but after seeing a 2 pack of deluxes going for 27 the other day...sigh, I have little hope.

I kinda get the idea of what they tried to do with Supreme Devy, but in the end it is an utter failure. Worst shelf (standee/endcap) warmer since Supreme Cheetor. Bigger =/= Better. Honestly though, I think the real failure is in the initial design itself for the movie verse. the transformation would be far too complex, and Mass shifting is the only way to make him the way he appears in the movie, and to get the semblance of scale they went fro with the movie toys would have meant almost everyone of the Constructicons would have to be voyager or larger. But, reduce them down to legends size, gut the electronics, and simplify all the joints (Combining and transforming wise) and you get this little piece of awesome. The compromises are acceptable at this size, and the finished result honestly makes the larger one embarrassing.

Now here is the real question...grab the set now, or wait for the nigh inevitable G1 redeco?

Red Rampage is coming in the Hasbro ROTF line, too, in the Nest: Global Alliance series, fortunately. He's pictured in the "Mission Guide" (catalog) for the line. I still want a larger toy of Overload made, to an unreasonable degree...esp. if it was based on the less humanoid concept art for the dude. Always loved those trucks.

I think he's talking about a Legends red Rampage.

Even still though, the one on Devastator was yellow in the movie anyway, wasn't it?

Ah, yes, now I see his meaning; forgot about their red version of the Legend. But yup, the yellow is screen-accurate.

where do you get mass shifting from?

i think the design for devastator in the movie was great. but i don't think that that's why the figure suffered. on most of the rotf figures hasbro has done well with the more recognizable aspects if each character... with devastator they didn't.

my last post i said that they should have just released the figures individually.. BUT.. they could have just made a more accurate version with how they've done it already. with no robot mode.. all you have to do is worry about the alt and combined modes.. no legs, no arms, no heads.. none of that, just component and alt mode.. they could have also given us at least one extra component, maybe two.

the head would've been easy to get right. as we see in the legends figure if you add overload.. you are able to get those shoulder pieces right.. instead of having them on the head which looks REALLY dumb. all you do with the crane is fold it's treads in.. so you're telling me that the crane is really worth $20 out of $100? the only substantial piece of devastator is scavenger, i'd say that that is the only component that is worth $20. none of the other pieces are large (except maybe mixmaster) and NONE of them are complex. you'd think that without robot modes they'd be able to get the figure incredibly accurate.. but no, the smaller figure WITH robot modes is more accurate.

maybe hasbro assumed that not many people are going to buy the supreme devastator, so they spent as little money/effort on it as possible so that they could easily make money off of only selling a small(ish) quantity of them.

I doubt they'd make it that big and give it its' own commercial and all that jazz if they didn't think it would sell.

In other news, my Legends Dev should arrive either tomorrow or the next day, mail permitting.

i certainly haven't seen any devastator toy commercials.

if you're talking about commercials during kids shows..

i can just see kids ask their parents for a toy that costs $100. how many of those parents do you think are going to go out to a store and buying devastator for their child? i'd say maybe 1% of those parents. plus.. most kids like bumblebee anyways..

every time there is a kid in the toy aisle they're always looking at either the deluxe or voyager figures. i have NEVER seen a kid even play around with the "try me" devastator gimmick in stores.

so you really think hasbro thought that something like this was going to sell really well @ retail price? they couldn't be that stupid. i haven't seen a single devastator move in months. the first week it was out stores in my area would sell about 1 or 2 a week. but since then they've just been warming the shelves.

I see it all the time.

It's a hot christmas buy, and even my own aunt bought it for her kids.

Yeah. $100 sounds right for the Big Christmas Wish.

All depends on the area. I only started to see the things in stores recently, and they are generally moving fairly steadily.