Stay for the ending

I read this as the "Superion Ending"...

You and me both.

That was pretty hilarious.

Didn't care for the main message of GEEWUNOMG BAYFORMERS SUX, but there were some valid points.

I've seen the movie twice now, and both times I totally forgot about Sam's sliver of the Allspark. We can safely assume that after creating the Kitchenbots and passing information on to Sam, that it was no longer of any use, but it's never specifically addressed. You'd think he would have at least brought it up.

As far as the Fallen being vulnerable to Megatron, I've kind of speculated on this before - I don't think Optimus acquires his full "prime-ness" until the second part of the movie - either when he's resurrected with the Matrix of Leadership, or when he combines with Jetfire. One of those two events unlock his true potential to be Optimus Prime as opposed to any old cybertronian. So maybe that's why Megatron can get away with killing him and not the Fallen.

Other possibilities:

Megatron won't kill the Fallen because (as the comics bear out) he trusts that the Fallen is going to turn him into a Prime. Maybe he'd kill him after that happens, but he believes that the Fallen has the power and desire to do this.

Alternatively, it's clear that Optimus, even if he is a "true" Prime throughout both movies, isn't exactly like the others (the Fallen and his brothers). He can't teleport, he can transform, he's not one of the first Cybertronians, and he's not from Egypt/doesn't look like he's Giger's brainchild. So maybe, while Optimus can kill the Fallen, he may not enjoy the invulnerability against non-Primes that the Fallen does.

Lastly, maybe the whole "I'm the Fallen and only a Prime can kill me" bit is a lie. Granted, it probably has to be a lie that the Fallen himself believes (since we see him getting all giddy over Prime's death = obstacle gone), but it could be something that the original Primes simply believed to be true.

OP:

Or could it be one of those badly bungled readings of a vague prophecy... i. e. , the leading cause of Ringwraith death worldwide? Some robotic Pythotron sucks up a lungful of H2S and gibbers that "thou wilt meet thine end by the last of the Primes, now give unto us thy twenty dollars and be sure to visit the gift shop"?

Total shot-in-the-dark fanon, of course, until some future author decides to retcon it in. Did the Fallen ever say why only a Prime could or would kill him? Incompatible hardware, union rules, et cetera?

It revived Jetfire.

Yeah, I just figured Jetfire absorbed it or it was destroyed in the process of reviving him, since that was the last time we saw it.

Ugh, that was painful, that end part with Prime.

Sam: "Hey, maybe this ancient mech knows how to bring back Optimus from the dead... here just let me use my last Allspark fragment of the allspark, which brings Transformers back from the dead, to ask him... DOH!"

Except he had no idea it could bring them back from the dead. Only that it turns inanimate mechanical objects into mindless killing machines. And I'm pretty sure that a mindless Optimus Prime zombie is a bad thing.

Somehow every DECEPTICON knew, and you'd think RATCHET would know. At best it was a miscommunication.

You're right, I totally forgot about that.

Maybe the Allspark can resurrect normal Cybertronians, but the Matrix is needed to resurrect Primes.

Regardless, Sam should have obviously seen it as an option.

Well, yeah, but the Decepticons have a lot of inside information; heck, Prime didn't even know what the reference to "The Fallen" meant, despite the fact that every Decepticon was working for the guy. Nor did the Autobots know Sam had the fragment; things just went in such a direction that they never found out/it wouldn't have worked that way due to the need to get Sam away from Megatron immediately following Prime's death.

The Decepticons had The Fallen in charge, who presumably sent them on the mission to go resurrect Megatron. After all, he has to explicitly spell it out for Megs later on that the Allspark's power/information can't really be destroyed.

To be fair, I assumed Jetfire was just stasis-locked...not, you know, dead dead.

Yeah, it's clear by all accounts that Jetfire had simply run out of energon.

Yeah, I was actually kind of enjoying it until that point.

Not that I necessarily agree with their criticisms, but at least it was fun with some good comedic effect until that point.

Except that Ratchet never knew Sam had a shard... and even if he DID, when exactly would Ratchet have passed that info along? During all that time they didn't spend together after Optimus died?

The bigger plothole, IMO, is that Bumblebee HAD to have known that Sam had a shard--the whole kitchen didn't just randomly come to life, after all. But apparently, despite the obvious danger a shard could pose, Bee just didn't think this was worth reporting to Prime and the others... or at the very least, taking away from the kid who just brought a dozen household appliances to murderous life.

That Bee likely knew about the heavy security around the other shard only compounds his error, since again, he left it in the care of a teenager who has a history of dropping the thing with disastrous results.

Or he might have assumed it was more Decepticons come to Earth, trying to exact revenge for Sam having killed their leader.

Or he might have freakin' ASKED. Or Sam might have been smart enough to think, "hey, this thing I'm not supposed to have and that destroyed my house, maybe I should give it to those big robots it actually belongs to?"

Anyway, it's just one of a long list of things that happen in ROTF that make absolutely no sense, so, y'know, whatevs.

Anyway, before I digress too much...that was a very funny send-up...those were some issues I hadn't even considered, but they were brought to my attention in a way that entertained. I even enjoyed the part with G1 Prime. I think part of the reason I enjoy this type of criticism is because it doesn't really seem self-righteous or bitter.

It was pretty funny, but you can easily pick it apart as well.

IIRC, the NEST guys had reported the Autobots had split up for two seperate groups of Decepticons; that's why only Bumblebee was with prime. He took Leo and Mikaela to safety, which was why Prime got stuck single-handed in the forest. The 'Cons followed him because Sam was with him.

With the Fallen, just because only a Prime can allegedly beat him, doesn't necessarily mean no one else can't defeat a Prime, or indeed rule out the Fallen himself beating a Prime. The aren't mutually exclusive.

The whole "catch a ride with Ironhide business," well, yeah. I will say that I'm guessing that transforming, loading up with passengers, driving to destination, unloading passengers, and re-transforming would leave you a lot more open to being blown to smithereens than having the Autobots' weapon specialist cover a small, mobile target(s).

I have to think that Sam kept the shard hidden possibly because it imparted some foresight into his mind along with the unknown symbols. Since no one but an ancient Decepticon could read them, and apparently just reviving Optimus wouldn't have been enough to defeat The Fallen (since The Fallen stopped Prime from even moving against him moments after his resurrection) and most likely the shard wasn't big enough to resurrect a dead Prime, but could wake up a sleeping Decepticon, using it on Prime wasn't really an option. Jetfire needed to be woken up, as he translated the symbols which revealed the location of the Matrix, and then provided Prime with the boost he needed to win against The Fallen. There was probably some kind of prophesy tied to all this that Sam subconsciously understood.

If Jetfire hadn't been awakened then Sam wouldn't have found the Matrix, thus the Decepticons would have hunted him down, stolen the knowledge, and eventually would have found it (possibly tearing the planet apart to find it), and without Jetfire to power up Prime, The Fallen would have destroyed the sun and it would have ended there. Granted without knowledge of the future, then it was all a crapshoot, but Allspark shards at least have the ability to change a character's behavior.

At any rate, Sam never had the chance to revive Prime with the small shard. Immediately after Prime's death, he went into hiding--if he came within range of Prime before they dropped him in Egypt, the government pencil pusher would have arrested him and turned him over to the Decepticons, not understanding what the result to his actions would have been.

Yeah, that wasn't ... nearly as funny as these videos generally are. The G1 Prime thing was absolutely flat and pointless. Some of the other bits were funny, and yeah, the fragment thing bothered the hell out of me when I saw the movie ....

God. That last little snippet, kitten calendars, that was worth the price of admission, but really ... they could have done a hell of a lot more with a movie this incoherent. As it is ... the how-it-should-have-ended was equally incoherent, and I don't take that as an intentional gag.

Except that, as he said, Sam simply didn't want to be involved in the Transformers' war any longer. The Autobots had largely moved on, fighting the few remaining Decepticons with their buddies in NEST. Sam knew the shard would be another McGuffin that the Decepticons would ruthlessly track down, bringing more of them to Earth. So he just kept it secret, entrusting it to Mikela, and assumed things would blow over.

That just makes the whole thing even more insane. Bee thinks that the Decepticons just made an attempt on Sam's life, but hey, let's just let the kid run off to college completely unguarded. He'll be perfectly safe! Sure, Bee follows anyway, but he's a 20-foot robot. He could have easily forced the matter. Oh sure, it's his friend, yeah, totally... but at this point, it should be clear to everyone that Sam is just not smart enough to know when he's in mortal danger, and as a soldier/bodyguard, it's Bee's friggin' JOB to put friendship aside and keep the kid safe.

At the very least, if Bee thought it was Decepticons, shouldn't he have reported it to Prime, who would have sent increased security? That there wasn't any increased security, and the other Autobots didn't seem to know anything about Sam's house getting blown up, says that Bee simply wasn't doing said job.

Of course, then there's the government/NEST to consider... they never wondered about any of this? Even if they just assumed that some 'cons showed up to beat on Bee, they never said "hey, let's prevent another Shanghai and get the giant alien robot out of the residential area"?

Yeah, there's some SEVERE lapses from everyone involved...


So the guy who wants nothing to do with the war figured that keeping the MacGuffin that the bad guys want was a better idea than, y'know, handing it over to the good guys so that they actually could keep the war away from him? "I want you all to stay away from me... but I'm totally going to keep the thing that is guaranteed to bring all of you to me!"

Sam... is officially too dumb to live. Hilariously, his stupidity DID eventually get him killed, but it didn't stick.

That's a plothole in itself; NEST says the autobots split up to go to Philly and New York...but there's never any mention on why New York is relevant (NEST doesn't mention two groups of decepticons, just that they've split up). Mixmaster isn't there knocking over flags and Megatron isn't abusing Starscream until after that whole fight when they decide to go public, and Sam has no reason to go there until after Leo says "let's find web-guy". So...why did the Autobots split up? And if they did split up, they sure got to Philly from New York awfully fast to show up at the tail end of that fight.


Of course, when Bumblebee speeds off to be a decoy, there's two other cars availible for this purpose before even getting to Ironhide or the Bikes. By the time Sam gets to Ironhide and the bikes, I'd be a bit wary of asking them to stop shooting the badguys so we can get a lift for the last few hundred feet, especially after watching Elita-1 get blown up right in front of you.

I thought it was a pretty funny little video. The Geewunness didn't bother me, as it was kind of funny and well done.

"Oh, that's true! You're right!"

Classic.

1) what's the word for the 2nd half of the Touch remix song? "You got the stuff, you got the ____"?
2) What's Bay say at the end? I hugging hate English, especially when it's not properly enunciated. Kitchen counter?

2)Kitten Calender.

Hell, I make my living off the English language, and it took me a few times to figure out what he was saying.

I was waiting for the scene when Megatron tells Starscream that he is in charge even when he is dead, then turns to the fallen and says "Yes master".

Voltage? (as opposed to power)

"Man, Decepticons are so wrong"
"Yeah, I'm glad we're Autobots cause we never do anything offensive."

Finally watched it. Very funny!

Randy

Spider-Man 3 is still their best one.