Sorry to go into rant mode here, but I feel like Marvel is doing their hardest to turn me from a Deadpool fan into a Deadpool hater.

The new Deadpool ongoing sucks, and Daniel Way has no business writing Deadpool. His "jokes" aren't funny, Deadpool somehow has a multiple personality now (yellow box, white box and outside voice), when the f&%$ did that happen, and he just seems determined to ruin as many potentially hilarious situations with mediocrity (or he's compensating for his mediocre writing by putting potentially hilarious situations in), like with Pirate Deadpool.
Daniel Way sticks, bluntly put. How on earth do you fail PIRATE DEADPOOL? The only funny thing I can think of off-hand has been "Be the meat".

Deadpool: Suicide Kings and Deadpool: Games Of Death, both written by the same hack (Mike Benson), continues the trend of The Merc With The Unfunny Internal Voices complete with a complete lack of humor and just a lot of boring stuff. So glad those were just a mini-series and a one-shot.

Deadpool: Merc With A Mouth is still a bit young to judge fully yet, being only three issues in, but so far has more potential than the previously mentionned titles. I wish they'd stop with the multiple personalities and just bring back single-minded nutty Deadpool again. And thus far.... it really hasn't done well in giving us Deadpool vs Deadpool interactivity (remember X-Men Legends II?).

And now there's Deadpool Team-Up going on. I'll check it out for sure, but I can't help but feel Deadpool is being heavily saturated right now. I'd rather have just one GOOD Deadpool book than three mediocre-to-sucky ones...

Don't forget his hundreds of cameos.

I mean, he's recently been a guest star in everything from Shang Chi: Master of Kung Fu to Uncanny Xmen.

I forgot to get into that, but yeah.

The old Deadpool ongoing (and to a lesser extent, Cable & Deadpool) were pretty free of "YOU NEED TO HAVE READ ALL THAT OTHER NON-DEADPOOL STUFF TO UNDERSTAND" but Way's Deadpool is drowning in it. Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, that Utopia thing that's happening now...

I actually had to resort to Wikipedia to understand what the f&%$ was going on during the Dark Reign bit. Especially since it wasn't indicated until much later that Hawkeye was Bullseye in disguise.

Okay, I usually don't condone Marvel's crossover madness in any way, but if you haven't already known that the Dark Avengers are Osborn's Thunderbolts...well, seriously, what have you been reading from Marvel lately? because those guys are every-freaking-where.

And you should be reading Dark Avengers anyway, because it's awesome.

Ahem.

As for Deadpool, I agree; Daniel Way sucks. I've known he sucks since he totally botched the Venom ongoing a few years ago. And I mean, really botched. Wolverine: Origins was a boring mess, and Dark Wolverine isn't much better. I don't know how this guy keeps getting work.

The last time I found Deadpool actually funny was in the Deadpool/Thunderbolts crossover, in the parts written by Andy Diggle. Diggle can write some pretty good one-liners (His Ant-Man is great), but, unlike Way, didn't see a need to put Deadpool in incredibly over-the-top situations to get any laughs, so the humor is actually subtle. Subtly, anyone?

But, of course, half that crossover was written by Way anyway, so...yeah.

I'm trying to figure out how Suicide Kings wasn't funny, but I'm at a loss here.

personally i like the deadpool ongoing, my main gripe is with the artwork on merc with a mouth. Inking in just making the pages jarring.

Deadpool is everywhere atm due to public demand. For years people have been begging for more Pool, and Marvel are supplying, and judging by the multiple printings runs of both Suicide king and the ongoing issues, most people seem to be lapping it up.

Deadpool has converesed with himself multiple times in the past, admitedly to a lesser degree, but its nothing new. Re-read Cable and Deadpool to see what i mean.

And Deadpool is an absurd character of course his going to do stupid jivee, allways have. I think my ownly gribe is that he seems to be getting his fighting prowress is not potrayed as highly as in previous series's (i.e. when he takes out Taskmaster whilst shackled)

I gotta agree with Detour. I also hate that Way ditched the promising premise that Fabien Nicieza set-up at the end of Cable/Deadpool with him working with Agency X.

This split personality thing is a complete misread of the character on Way's part as well. And I hate that all the other writers now seem compelled to use it too.

Col. Jupiter, what I read from Marvel is Deadpool.

Limabean, Deadpool did often talk to himself, but it was exactly that. Talking with himself. Not "talking with two other personalities in his head". Way's Deadpool stopped being the Merc With A Mouth, because he doesn't talk to others incessantly anymore. He just has long, drawn-out conversations with his two inner personalities.

So, a friend told me shortly after I posted my rant about "Deadpool #900" which apparently completely went under my radar.

It's a large book with multiple stories by multiple teams, and a reprint of Deadpool & Widdle Wade.
Some are giant, refreshing hits while others are pretty bad misses.

Close Encounters Of The @*#$ed-Up Kinds (Jason Aaron): Deadpool gets kidnapped by aliens who follow "tabloid alien abduction guidelines" by the letter. No inner thought personalities at all here, plenty of comical Deadpool lines. Although Deadpool spends every page beyond the first one buck naked (there's too much Deadpool out of costume in comics lately...), it still managed to be a pretty enjoyable read.

Silent But Deadly (Fred Van Lente): Semi-silent issue in which a deafened Deadpool fights a trio of evil kung-fu mimes. It took me a couple of reads to realize that the mimes had stolen some devices that made whatever they mimed real... Deadpool beats them at their game. So basically, it's a ripoff of Deadpool's original "silent" issue with the Dr McNinja vs Ronald McDonald comic. It manages to be entertaining (once I figured out what was happening) but it lacked in originality.

Deadpool Shrunken Master (Mike Benson): Oh god. The art in this one is horrible! This book has one story pencilled by Rob Liefeld and Shrunken Master still manages to have the worst art! The jist of it is Deadpool visits a psychiatrist. The title comes from the fact that Deadpool shrinks as he talks to the shrink because, as the white thought personality put it, "it's a clever way to represent our poor shrinking fragile ego". As with every other Deadpool title written by Benson, there's a "twist" that isn't all that surprising or interesting. Worst writer, meet worst artist.

Pinky Swear (JOE KELLY!!!!!): As drawn by Rob Liefeld, who manages NOT to suck just enough to avoid his horrible art from distracting from the story (his women still have ridiculous proportions). Deadpool is in the middle of fighting off henchmen and protecting a bimbo who has some sort of secret code in her head, when an old toy watch begins beeping, so he pays a visit to an old school chum. It's hilarious, and why the hell isn't Joe Kelly given the freakin' Deadpool title because god damn it, this is so much better than anything Way's ever written! Seriously, the guy's writing made a Liefeld-drawn comic enjoyable just there! He even used the "thought personalities" bit, but sparingly enough that it didn't detract from his trademark banter!

What Happens In Vegas... (Duane Swierczynski): No inner thought personalities here, just Deadpool's own single-minded (so to speak) thoughts! Basically, Deadpool lies dead (and naked) in a hotel room and a CSI-parody team (or so I think) encounter him, and they throw around ridiculous theories as to what happened to him before sending him off to the morgue. Another twist ending, not unlike Benson's, but done right. Good read, Deadpool's thoughts were a nice throwback to the original Joe Kelly era.

Great Balls Of Thunder On The Deep Blue Sea (Victor Gishler): Deadpool goes on a cruise ship vacation and encounters Doc Ock. Lighthearted, thoroughly enjoyable short. Gishler uses the inner thought personalities, but much like Kelly uses them in a way that's actually funny and does not detract from Deadpool's own chatty tendencies.

One Down (Charlie Huston): Worst story in the book. A very long self-conversation about nothing between Deadpool's "personalities" that is lacking in wit or humor. It ends when Deadpool gets to a basement-dwelling comic book fan's house and shoots him. Waste of paper and ink.


Aside from Shrinking Master and One Down, this manages to be a worthwhile read that raises the question: aside from Gishler doing Merc With A Mouth, why are none of these other guys writing Deadpool instead of Way and Benson??? Because in a few short pages they've all pretty much managed to outdo the current Deadpool stuff.

Well, then, in a way, it's your fault he's crossing over so much. Marvel clearly wants the readers who only follow Deadpool to read something else they put out, and this is the most economical way to do it.

I like Deadpool and I really didn't enjoy most of Deadpool #900.

Suicide kings was painful, and it also had a horribly written Punisher running around.

The ongoing is generally not funny. It's ok most of the time, but it has none of the laugh out loud moments the old comics used to have.

There's way too much of him right now and it isn't funny.

So yeh, I agree with you Detour.

God damn, I'm so sick of Deadpool and I don't even read comics that often. He's gone from a character with a point -making sure the X-titles never take themselves too seriously- to LOL SO RANDUM XD BUY DIS ISH. He's Comic Relief Wolverine.

Have loved Deadpool for years but have a horrible feeling he will become another Wolverine with the oversaturation of comics, really cant see the need for 3 ongoing series at once.

Ways Deadpool has been really hit and miss, mostly due to the way he has totally misread the character. Cable and Deadpool did a lot of character development with him and that seems to have been glossed over. Im very confused at how its made out that Deadpool killed his own dad when it was revealed that he died protecting a young Wade. And didnt Cable help to partially cure some of Deadpools insanity (Preventing his healing factor from constantly healing his brain cells as they died. He was still a bit wierd, but not totally off the wall crazy).

By the way, grab the Shang Chi special whilst you still can, the Shang Chi/Deadpool story is all kinds of awesome.

I liked the Deadpool ongoing at the start, then dropped out when crossovers started encroaching (because I don't care about Marvel's other books, since they've been perpetually wrapped up in MEGA CROSSOVER this or that for the last few years and Spider-Man has been in a downward spiral since JMS wrote him). I picked it up with pirate Deadpool, though, and it was pretty funny, although Deadpool seems to be decidedly... dumb... compared to his usual self. But, he did just recuperate from blowing his brains out, which previously took around a year or so the last time, so I guess I can forgive it.

I do want the multiple voices explained, though. That totally caught me off-guard when the ongoing started, which I chalked up to not having read Cable & Deadpool because I think Cable is an insufferable character. Is that where the voices schtick started?

Poor Deadpool is getting whored out because of his upcoming movie.

The best explanation I can think of is Way only read Cable & Deadpool #50 before writing. In it, Deadpool gets a Symbiote and it causes another voice in his head, but it's hardly the same "voice" as the white-box thought bubble, and Deadpool kills the symbiote....


So yeah, I'm going to chalk this up to Way not knowing jack about 'Pool and not bothering to look anything up beyond his last appearance before he got the writing duty.
Hell, the Pirate issues ended with Deadpool deciding to be a benefactor rather than a merc, like it was the first time he ever came to that decision... in spite of the fact that it was a driving factor in Deadpool's first ongoing ten years ago under Joe Kelly... and he did it better!

And yeah. Deadpool is ridiculously dumber than he normally should be. And for a Merc With A Mouth, he really sucked at banter during the Pirate issues. Again, Way should not be writing the character at all.

Well, like I said, I can excuse the sudden lack of IQ due to him shooting himself vigorously in the head and not taking the time to regenerate fully, like during the Agent X run where he needed something like 12-18 months.

Actually, that reminds me. I want Gail Simone back. She was great.

I'll take Simone, Joe Kelly, Fabian Nicieza or even Christopher Priest over Way.

I have the full run of Cable & Deadpool, it was great because Cable worked as a figure in the background to tie Deadpool to a real story. While Deadpool basically kept the millenial-thinking of Cable grounded. They played and growed off each other, by the time Cable was out of the book? It was kinda dull just hopping from crossover to crossover.

Personally I just came up with this wonderful idea of not buying books because of characters and typically stick with good writers - not that I don't _try_ new writers from time to time, but once Secret Invasion was over, I haven't had much of an urge to touch Daniel Way's stuff since. Remember the great runs of Deadpool? Yeah I'm catching more Fabian Niceza in Azrael and more Gail Simone in Secret Six.
And I'm going to grab the next issue of Deadpool team-up because it's got an appearance from Hercules written by Fred Van Lente, who writes an awesome Hercules ongoing.

And I can't imagine why an intelligent man wouldn't pick up the upcoming Joe Kelly Spiderman issue with Deadpool showing up.

What number??

Hey, Merc With A Mouth gave us Zombie Tyrannosaurus. That's gotta count for something ^_^

Spidey #611.

Joe Kelly should take over for Way.

I mean, yes. I enjoyed the Pirate saga for what it was, and the Bulls/Hawkeye battle with Pig Armour. But it's not the same.

And I agree Deadpool is being oversaturated. But at least the team-up ongoing should be free of Way's influence.

And that's what you're doing wrong.

Go read Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy and catch up on Annihilation and everything related.

Y'know, good comics.

Seriously, though, I don't GET Deadpool fans, he started off as crap, he continued to be crap, and really, all that "made him" was goofy comedy and him being retarded. That's a huge difference from what he originally was supposed to be as he was another Grimdark 90s Assassin ™.
IMO it's just time to drop him already, his good stories have been told, his lack of a supporting cast, or any good ties with any other Marvel character is bound to make him a boring read if you don't turn him into Freakazoid.

He was goofy, but he wasn't retarded until Way started writing him.

Which is what I'm here in this thread complaining about.

And he has (or had, pre-Way) a supporting cast in the Agent X cast and Bob of Hydra. Way seems to be unaware of the entire former set, which did indeed irk me a bit, since I liked them a lot, particularly Morbidly Obese Agent X and Taskmaster.

At least Suicide Kings had Outlaw, which was a very, very good thing.

Deadpool stopped being good after Joe Kelly left. He's really the only one that could write him properly, it's a shame they have him stuck on Satanic Spider Man.

Whatever happened to good old Bob, Agent of HYDRA anyway?

He showed up again in the Pirate arc of the current adjectiveless series.

And he got a new blind girlfriend.

So nothing Marvel's put out for a while, then.

This kills me more inside than movie Deadpool did.

What on Earth am I looking at, exactly? Where's this from?

http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/10/26/marve...deadpool-corps/

At least it's a mini-event, and a big spoof on the Green Lantern Corps.

Hopefully it will be good.

We're also getting Deadpool Noir from Mike Benson. I guess I'm one of the few who enjoy Way's run and like it a lot more than I did most of Nicieza's solo 'Pool stuff in C&D. I enjoyed the hell out of Bullseye and Deadpool's fight along with the Death nod when Deadpool saw Black Widow. I read the first issue of Merc with a Mouth and really didn't care for it but I need to go back and read the rest to see if it got any better.

I don't think Kelly's coming back. We'll have to settle for the little bit we get from ASM and I did enjoy the fact that DP's childhood friend cut him off before he called him Wade, still managing to keep the whole "Is Wade T-Ray or DP?" open despite Nicieza's efforts. I still miss Blind Al.

Yeah, I find myself not liking the Merc with a Mouth series much at all. I am hating it worse than the ongoing and i really really don't like the ongoing. Title.

I miss Blind Al too. She and Weasel were Deadpool's best supporting characters.

Except that plenty of stuff has been good, you're just not looking in the right direction.

Cosmic Marvel has been on an immense streak of awesome, that wasn't even killed by a somewhat lacking War of Kings.

Dark Reign is also pretty fun, if you pick up the right books.

Sure, Marvel's main franchises are run way into the ground by now. X-Men has become unreadable, but that's mostly to blame on Land, Spiderman jives on continuity as if it were a sport, but that's mostly to blame on Quesada, but things like Hulk (not Rulk, the Banner comic) and Iron Man, as well as Hercules, have become really, really fun books. X-Force used to be pretty good too, aside the grimdark, and New Mutants shows promise.

You just need to look, and not take the ones Marvel tries to pitch.

the fact is that this is all subjective, what some find are good dosent hold true for everyone.

With the new stuff i quote:

Gabriel then spoke about the rising popularity of Deadpool and the fact that everything Marvel is publishing featuring the character is selling out.

"I think nearly every single issue of Deadpool since we relaunched it last year has sold out," he said. "The 'Suicide Kings' stuff all sold out. We went back to press on three or four of those books. Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth is all sold out, and we went back to press with the first two of those. I imagine Deadpool #900 will sell out by the time this interview goes up.

"And I also announced, kind of as a joke, that since a lot of people didn’t get to read Deadpool #800, we’ll be going back to press on that sometime next year, too. The never-before-seen reprint of Deadpool #800."

Gabriel credited editor Axel Alonso "claiming" the character and investing in him as keys to his rise.

"Deadpool was all by himself, and when he came back and it was big, we decided we were just going to push the limits with him a little bit, and that’s paid off. Then the announcement for the Deadpool movie, I believe, came out right after our announcement of Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth – and we haven’t heard anything new about the movie – but that kind of opened the flood gates even more.

"And it doesn’t hurt when people are putting out quality books people want to read. I’ve heard, even from people that confess Deadpool isn’t their favorite character, that they’ve been loving his stuff right now. And if you look at the Classic Deadpool trades right now, they’ve been far outselling other Classic trades.

"It doesn’t make sense not to capitalize on that right now. Someone shouted out, 'Why?' after the Deadpool Corps announcement at the Summit. And I jokingly shouted back, 'Because it’s making you money.'"


With Joe Kelly i do belive he has stated that he dosent really like to step back and revisit characters that much, especially in an ongoing sense.

With the supporting cast, i've read interviews with a few writers who are quite reluctant to use the older ones (especially Blind Al) due to not wanting to tarnish the character.

But it was okay for Jimmy Palmioti to take over the book years ago, that gave DP a serious moral conflictions about killing DRUG DEALERS?!!

Lets see, my personal track record for DP writers:
Joe Kelly, liked it when it didn't get all dark.
Jimmy Palmiotti, absoluty HATED his run (even had a cake at the company christmas party saying "I want Jimmy Palmiotti's head for Christmas!")
Christopher Priest, outragitious situations but with funny lines and NO 3-way discussions with his head..
Gail Simone/UdON LOVED IT!! Ditto for the Agent X series but it took a hit with different artists (nd artists styles) every non-UDON issue.
Fabian Zaciezra (spelling) on C&DP: I liked it, practically loved it but I used "Loved" above. I remember actually laughing out loud at some of the dailogue AND he used Weasel and the "Agent X" gang. Wasn't to big on what he did to Agent x himself though.
Way's run. When I saw the additional thought boxes I thought it'd be a sub plot of a mysterious employer/handler keeping tabs on Deadpool when he goes on mission (ala Metal Gear's Codec) only to find he gave DP ANOTHER metal problem which was fixed for the most part by Cable.
MwaM, if the guy can drop the internal argument it'd be a better book. At least Wade has someone to work off of (headpool, Dr. Betty)

While I do love me some 'Pool I find the amount of books worrisome as Deadpool dosen't have the star power (like Spider-man and X-Men) to carry several books a month for very long so eventually something is gonna get the ax, and some point it'll be the regualr title (again).

And during the "Cover gallery" for issues 1-200, it was really cheap of them to count variant covers as induvudial issues.

I find it mainly disturbing since Deadpool was a subversion of most every other hero as soon as someone other than Liefeld used him, so for him to suddenly be Marvel's temporary figurehead is just... wrong. He's supposed to be the hero you root for when you don't like the X-Men/X-Factor/random drama mutants and are tired of reading about Spider-Man's unrelenting crapsack life.

I really dug the whole flip flop of Deadpool being humorous and then in the next second he was throwing Blind Al or Weasel in his house of horrors because he really IS incredibly messed up in the head. I got the feeling Nicieza didn't care too much for what previous writers did with Deadpool like the way Agent X was left, the whole weird T-Ray and Deadpool stuff, and the Taskmaster fight thing smacked of it a little too, imo. As far As Priest is concerned this is some good reading:

http://www.digital-priest.com/comics/frames/deadpool.htm

Now that I think about I miss Copycat too. Of all the dead characters I think she'll be the most likely to return in the next couple of years.

While I found Deadpool somewhat humorous in some instances before Cable/Deadpool, it wasn't until that book that I actually enjoyed reading him. Every one of those 50 issues was chalked full of awesome (though I didn't care too much for the circle chase reunion arc) - even after Cable left and ended his very interesting arc and the title became a Deadpool Team-Up, the writing was great and I thought the art style fit excellently.

I thought the first couple issues of the new DP series with the Secret Invasion tie-in were actually pretty funny... but everything since then has been a complete let down. I was honestly hoping Deadpool would be wearing the x-uniform he had in Cable/Deadpool when he set out to join them...

Merc With a Mouth has ALSO failed me. I can't say I'm fond of the art, for starters. At least the adjectiveless has Paco Medina. I don't know how they managed to fail me with zombie deadpool (I thought MZ3 was a fun read. Though MZ4 was total crap and MZR was too loaded with plotholes for me to call it any sort of success) but they DID. Neither of these on-goings have any pull for me.

Didn't like the art for suicide kings and the story wasn't enough to hold me past issue 1. Honestly, I really appreciated Deadpool having not been everywhere at once. Now he's like every other big Marvel character who has no continuity whatsoever. The only thing I've read with him recently that I enjoyed was the most recent arc of Red Hulk. Though the cartooniness of Churchill's new style disappointed me immensely, in contrast to the style he used in the UXM "Poptopia" arc.

I don't have a problem with the oversaturation of Deadpool.

15 year-olds need comics too