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Wildwade
Y'know, when I heard the concept of this show, "Teenage Tony Stark", I cringed, but I've been watching a handful of eps, and...it isn't too bad. It's pretty well-written actually, if you can just get past the head-scratchy "Teen Tony" concept. One thing though, the villains are all seemingly redesigned specifically so you couldn't tell who the heck they are just by looking at them. But it was at least nice that they were using guys like Killer Shrike, Living Laser, and the Fixer (using his Thunderbolts design to boot).
Aberration
I watched a leaked version of the pilot on YouTube way back when, and was underwhelmed. Not because all of the characters were kids, but because they weren't particular -interesting- kids. If the series has improved though, I could be persuaded to give it another try. How would you rank it against "Wolverine and the X-Men" and "Spectacular Spider-Man"?

I just wish someone would release the 90's animated series on DVD. (Even better if they just release season 2 icon-waspy.gif)
Wildwade
It definitely improved from the pilot. I decided to initially pass on following it upon watching the first ep, but now I've watched about six more and I've taken to the show. I think I'd say "Dumb premise, solid execution" is the best way to describe it. The writers are making the best of what they were given.

Definitely not better than Spectacular Spidey, but I do enjoy this much more than Wolverine And The Other Guys. (Then again, I kinda intensely dislike Wolverine Is Wonderful anyhow.)
Bocc Kob
I've never seen the pilot, but I really like it. The writing is pretty in the middle. Not really complicated or deep, but it's not simple or dumb either. I like the voice acting and armor designs. It's a straight-forward entertaining action show. icon-fire.gif

I also like the opening theme, but only as an opening theme. I saw the full version on YouTube and it was pretty weak.
Chris McFeely
QUOTE(Wildwade @ Sep 21 2009, 06:13 AM) *
It definitely improved from the pilot. I decided to initially pass on following it upon watching the first ep, but now I've watched about six more and I've taken to the show. I think I'd say "Dumb premise, solid execution" is the best way to describe it. The writers are making the best of what they were given.


Absolutely. As far as I was concerned going into the pilot, Teen Tony was not the best way to go with it, but I could accept it, as I imagined it was taking its basic cue from the Ultimate Iron Man Comics, which also have teen action going on. The teen-ification of the supporting cast took me by surprise, however, and by the end of the pilot, I couldn't even wrap my head around why they thought it was necessary to have Teen Mandarin. This, coupled with some generally pretty ugly cel-shaded CGI, and I wasn't exactly in a hurry for the show to come back.

And then it did, and... my word, it actually got rather good. It's got a lot of independant and intertwining ongoing plotlines, it's made the absolute most of Iron Man's rather limp rogue's gallery (Unicorn? Honestly? I mean, I think it's AWESOME that he's in it, but it just shows you what they've got to work with), and its realy overcome the limitating factors of both its premise and its animation (there's very little to reccommend the look of this show - I was amazed when the Black Panther turned up and actually LOOKED LIKE HIMSELF, because no-one else has) to turn into something that's surprisingly, genuinely, really rather good.
Shockprowl04
I agree with everything that's been said. The show is good despite itself.
Database
QUOTE(Shockprowl04 @ Sep 21 2009, 01:53 PM) *
I agree with everything that's been said. The show is good despite itself.


Thats about the best way too sum up the series. In concept, it sounds like itd be doomed to fail; yet somehow it not only works, but works well and is really entertaining. I don't think I've been so impressed by a show, as I have by this and its ability to turn fail into win.
Wildwade
A gripe...Nick Fury was a total tosser in his recent guest-spot episode. Just like he was a total tosser in his Wolverine guest-spot episode. What's with the "Prick Fury" portrayal? I mean, he's rough around the edges, but I never saw him as one to turn down help if a situation gets out of control.
Database
QUOTE(Wildwade @ Sep 21 2009, 03:36 PM) *
A gripe...Nick Fury was a total tosser in his recent guest-spot episode. Just like he was a total tosser in his Wolverine guest-spot episode. What's with the "Prick Fury" portrayal? I mean, he's rough around the edges, but I never saw him as one to turn down help if a situation gets out of control.


Isn't the current Fury based around his Ultimate Counterpart?
Wildwade
QUOTE(Database @ Sep 21 2009, 03:49 PM) *
QUOTE(Wildwade @ Sep 21 2009, 03:36 PM) *
A gripe...Nick Fury was a total tosser in his recent guest-spot episode. Just like he was a total tosser in his Wolverine guest-spot episode. What's with the "Prick Fury" portrayal? I mean, he's rough around the edges, but I never saw him as one to turn down help if a situation gets out of control.


Isn't the current Fury based around his Ultimate Counterpart?


Well, current as far as almost every Fury except 616 Fury. But even Ultimate Fury isn't as much of a prick as he was in this most recent Iron Man ep.
Bocc Kob
I like Prick Fury. It makes sense that the head of a secret government mostly-human organization would be reluctant to place any trust in super powered vigilantes.
Chris McFeely
Hey, the Ghost actually looked like himself too! Nice!
MrBlud
QUOTE
Well, current as far as almost every Fury except 616 Fury. But even Ultimate Fury isn't as much of a prick as he was in this most recent Iron Man ep.


Wow, he had to be quite a prick then because Ultimate Fury is pretty much the most detestable person in the Ultimate Universe and it's populated entirely by jerks.
Wildwade
Watched the latest ep...hey, they're improving. First Ghost, now Black Knight was totally recognizable.
Chris McFeely
And I'll be jiggered if that wasn't a sculpture of Fin Fang Foom!

I'm still a touch puzzled as to why they went the route they did with Madame Masque, making her Stane's daughter when Count Nefaria is RIGHT THERE, DUDE.
Wildwade
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Sep 28 2009, 05:46 AM) *
And I'll be jiggered if that wasn't a sculpture of Fin Fang Foom!

I'm still a touch puzzled as to why they went the route they did with Madame Masque, making her Stane's daughter when Count Nefaria is RIGHT THERE, DUDE.


Yeah, that had occurred to me. I assume it was to link Whitney closer to the main cast. Considering Nefaria got arrested, it doesn't seem he'll be featured heavily for the rest of the season.
Chris McFeely
QUOTE(Wildwade @ Sep 28 2009, 02:05 PM) *
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Sep 28 2009, 05:46 AM) *
And I'll be jiggered if that wasn't a sculpture of Fin Fang Foom!

I'm still a touch puzzled as to why they went the route they did with Madame Masque, making her Stane's daughter when Count Nefaria is RIGHT THERE, DUDE.


Yeah, that had occurred to me. I assume it was to link Whitney closer to the main cast. Considering Nefaria got arrested, it doesn't seem he'll be featured heavily for the rest of the season.


Yeah, but they set him up, ny name, with a shadowed appearance, in the *third* episode! Having already heard that Madame Masque would be in later episodes I assumed that was working towards her appearance, but they went another route with it. Not that I OBJECT to it, or anything, it worked well, but it just stood out as odd to me.
Bocc Kob
Whitney is hotter.
Wildwade
QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ Sep 28 2009, 02:21 PM) *
Whitney is hotter.


Only make it much more lamentable when her face inevitably gets screwed-up.

A recent issue of Invincible Iron Man indicated that one of her eyes is...not in the right area on her face. Ughhhhh.
Col. Jupiter
Yeah, until reading that, I couldn't see why Masque would settle for a loser like the Hood. Now, I can get it; poor woman probably has all kinds of self-esteem issues.
Chris McFeely
QUOTE(Col. Jupiter @ Sep 29 2009, 01:43 AM) *
Yeah, until reading that, I couldn't see why Masque would settle for a loser like the Hood. Now, I can get it; poor woman probably has all kinds of self-esteem issues.


She's a lot more confident and assertive these days than she used to be! She was off the grid for the better part of a decade when Kurt Busiek brought him back in his Avengers arrroundd.... 99? 2000? ...and she was a total crazy paranoid mess of a woman. I don't think she's really done anything in between then and now, so I always feel a bit odd seeing her in New Avengers being fairly okay (especially since she's got in goin' on with the Hood, and before, she wouldn't let a man near her!).
Database
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Sep 29 2009, 09:33 AM) *
QUOTE(Col. Jupiter @ Sep 29 2009, 01:43 AM) *
Yeah, until reading that, I couldn't see why Masque would settle for a loser like the Hood. Now, I can get it; poor woman probably has all kinds of self-esteem issues.


She's a lot more confident and assertive these days than she used to be! She was off the grid for the better part of a decade when Kurt Busiek brought him back in his Avengers arrroundd.... 99? 2000? ...and she was a total crazy paranoid mess of a woman. I don't think she's really done anything in between then and now, so I always feel a bit odd seeing her in New Avengers being fairly okay (especially since she's got in goin' on with the Hood, and before, she wouldn't let a man near her!).


Maybe she discovered therapy in those years no one seen her?
Col. Jupiter
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Sep 29 2009, 10:33 AM) *
QUOTE(Col. Jupiter @ Sep 29 2009, 01:43 AM) *
Yeah, until reading that, I couldn't see why Masque would settle for a loser like the Hood. Now, I can get it; poor woman probably has all kinds of self-esteem issues.


She's a lot more confident and assertive these days than she used to be! She was off the grid for the better part of a decade when Kurt Busiek brought him back in his Avengers arrroundd.... 99? 2000? ...and she was a total crazy paranoid mess of a woman. I don't think she's really done anything in between then and now, so I always feel a bit odd seeing her in New Avengers being fairly okay (especially since she's got in goin' on with the Hood, and before, she wouldn't let a man near her!).


See, I'd only heard of her prior to her showing up in NA, and never actually saw her in action. (Bad choice of words?) But from the way she carried herself through the Secret Invasion and the Brother Voodoo arc, I really couldn't get what she saw in him. Screw his whiny emo bulljive; she's clearly more qualified to lead the Hood's army.

...Does the Hood's army actually have a name yet?
Fullstrength Motleypuss
QUOTE(Col. Jupiter @ Sep 29 2009, 01:17 PM) *
...Does the Hood's army actually have a name yet?


Hoodies?
Shockprowl04
Kinda icky if you think about...her being Obadiah Stane's daughter.

Considering her and Obadiah were sucking face back in the eighties during Stane's big (and final) storyline.

Although that does kinda make Obadiah hardcore, being perfectly willing to kiss...whatever was under that mask. (Granted, he had her mind transferred into Bethany Cabe's body soon thereafter, but still...)
Bocc Kob
Today's episode was AWESOME.

Even if it did have a giant floating head.
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