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Bass X0
I certainly do. You need your full attention while driving so taking your eyes off the road to look at your phone is obviously a distraction. You might text and drive at the same time quite a lot and never had an accident before - that doesn't mean you won't ever get into a situation where you'll need split-second reactions.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/08/06/illinois.texting.ban/

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Illinois will become the 17th state on Thursday to ban texting while driving, a safety worry that has caught the attention of the federal government.

Gov. Pat Quinn will sign an amendment to the Illinois Vehicle Code that prohibits writing, sending or receiving text messages while driving, said the governor's spokeswoman, Marlena Jentz. The bill does make texting exceptions for drivers who pull over to text or shift their car into park or neutral to message while stopped in traffic.

Illinois will join a growing list of states looking to curb accidents linked to texting. Oregon and New Hampshire banned texting drivers in July, and Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Louisiana, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, North Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington and the District of Columbia already have laws in place. Four U.S. senators announced their plan to push for a federal ban on July 29. U.S. Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said the Obama administration will convene a summit to discuss how it can end accidents caused by distracted drivers.

Despite the ongoing efforts to address the dangers of texting while driving, studies have not shown whether the laws affect accident rates, said Jonathan Adkins, communications director at the Governor's Highway Safety Association.

The nonprofit association comprised of appointees from each state's governor's office has closely followed the texting while driving saga. But Adkins said that because of several factors that potentially play a role in an accident, to know whether texting caused an accident would require a subpoena or an admission by the driver.

In New York and New Jersey, the impact has been measured by an increase in driving tickets, but too few states track that data, Adkins said.

"With drunk driving it was important to pass tough laws, but the laws won't really have any effect unless they're enforced and the public knows about it and it's properly adjudicated," said Barbara Harsha the association executive director. "So passing a law isn't the solution, it's only part of it."

Studies have shown that those who text while driving have an exponentially greater risk of an accident or near accident.

A Virginia Tech Transportation Institute study found that truck drivers who texted while driving were 23 times more likely to crash or nearly get into wrecks than undistracted drivers.

Compared with dialing, talking, listening or reaching for an electronic device, texting posed the greatest accident risk, the study found -- most likely due to the almost five seconds researchers found the drivers' eyes were off the roadway while texting, said Rich Hanowski, the director of the Center for Truck and Bus Safety at the transportation institute.

The focus on texting while driving comes after a some high-profile accidents.

In September, a California commuter train engineer missed a stop signal while trading text messages with a friend, leading to a collision with a freight train that killed 25 people, according to federal investigators.

A mass-transit accident in Boston, Massachusetts, injured 62 people in May. The operator of a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority trolley was later charged with gross negligence after he admitted he had been texting seconds before the collision with another trolley, according to the Suffolk County district attorney and a National Transportation Safety Board official.
MintBerryCrunch
Yes. I don't know how to enforce it, though. All cell phone use should be banned for drivers.
Radical Good Speed
I fully support no-texting-while-driving laws. Drivers around here can barely pay attention to the road while they're just talking on their mobiles. Let them text indiscriminately and it can only get worse. icon-wildride.gif
Shattered
QUOTE(Pigbag @ Aug 6 2009, 05:54 PM) *
Yes. I don't know how to enforce it, though. All cell phone use should be banned for drivers.


Apparently neither can the New York State troopers. Texting while driving is now illegal in this state, but they can't pull you over for it. Brilliant.
Moroboshi Ataru
Seems like common sense to me that you'd want to keep your eyes on the road (And I haven't even gotten around to learning how to drive! Being almost 28, I should get on that...)
Esser-Z
Shouldn't have to be a law, but it clearly does need to be a law, so I support them.
Arsenal
QUOTE(Pigbag @ Aug 6 2009, 06:54 PM) *
Yes. I don't know how to enforce it, though. All cell phone use should be banned for drivers.


This.

I am sick to death of getting run off the road or see someone driving eratically or struggling to get into a parking lot because they can't the hugging phone for one second, whatever is that you're discussing is not that important, put the goddamn phone down or so help me I'm gonna lose it one day, swerve in front of the cellphone offender and shove it up their ass.
Chaotic Descent
When we all have live video feeds and citizens can provide evidence to get people ticketed, then we'll be able to enforce it. same as those stop-light cameras that catch people running the red lights.
newsy891
Yes, I'm in favor of laws that ban texting while driving. But I'm not in favor of banning cell phone use while driving altogether.

Calling/answering while driving is one thing; even my ancient dinosaur-phone has one-touch dialing and voice command capability and hands-free capability, so I can (and, I admit, frequently do) have a voice conversation while driving. If it's a call that turns into something intense or something I have to write down, I'm perfectly capable of saying "I'm driving, let me pull over/call you back later" (which I also frequently do).

Texting is another thing entirely. I'm unaware of any program or phone that allows you to text any other way than typing, aka taking both hands off the wheel and both eyes off the road for an extended time.
DarkeklawGW
You know I think this one is a no brainer. Especially since it's be shown to be almost as dangerous as drunk driving.
MrBlud
Having actually tried to text while driving I firmly agree with this law as it was impossible to do with any degree of safety.

..and I was doing it on country roads with almost no traffic. I can't even imagine trying it elsewhere.
Paladin
Absolutely. Driving is dangerous enough by itself.
Jesse (M_P)
I can text/IM and drive just fine
TheMightyMollusk
I've seen plenty of people who can barely walk while texting, never mind driving.
AnkhChalice
I fully support laws such as these.
Rhinox
I fully support banning texting while driving. It is a dangerous and stupid thing to do.
Transfotaku
QUOTE(Jesse (M_P) @ Aug 6 2009, 07:38 PM) *
I can text/IM and drive just fine



Hehe, your posts are always so ironic and funny. Keep it up!
Arsenal
QUOTE(Jesse (M_P) @ Aug 6 2009, 08:38 PM) *
I can text/IM and drive just fine


No you can't, your attention is being taken away from the road, even if you somehow have the mutant power to pay full attention and text coherently you're still distracted and even a minor distraction can have severe consequences, you're driving a half ton of steel for christsakes.
Adam
When someone's driving like a dick and almost kills my ass on the road 9/10 they're on the damned phone. I wish every car was a God damned Faraday cage.
Canthros
I do not support laws like this. It's unenforceable, and there are already laws covering reckless driving and whatnot. Yes, texting while driving is stupid and dangerous. Conveniently, people who do stupid and dangerous things tend to take themselves out eventually. Further, if you're too stupid and irresponsible to realize that trying type messages into your cellphone while driving, what reason is there to think that you're responsible enough and informed enough to follow a newly passed law that's basically unenforceable?
crazyjw18
QUOTE(Canthros @ Aug 6 2009, 10:44 PM) *
I do not support laws like this. It's unenforceable, and there are already laws covering reckless driving and whatnot. Yes, texting while driving is stupid and dangerous. Conveniently, people who do stupid and dangerous things tend to take themselves out eventually.


You see, I'm mostly against seat belt laws for adults because I feel that if you're stupid enough to want to risk your own life, and there's little risk to others, then whatever. However people who do stupid things like texting while driving also tend to take sensible people out with them.

Then again you can even make a safety for others argument for some drivers on seat belts. If you've ridden in a tractor trailor, you've felt how hard bumps can jostle you. What if a guy hits a bump and loses control because he's not firmly on the pedal for a moment....it's easy to make an argument here.

Anyhow, I say just throw it under reckless driving, just like you would if you saw someone shaving or performing acts of nasty whilst driving.
Frost181
texting while driving is a stupid thing to do, I hate it when people do it, that being said, same as with normal cell phone use while driving I can't see this being enforced very well even with laws on the books.
Adam
QUOTE(Canthros @ Aug 6 2009, 10:44 PM) *
I do not support laws like this. It's unenforceable, and there are already laws covering reckless driving and whatnot. Yes, texting while driving is stupid and dangerous. Conveniently, people who do stupid and dangerous things tend to take themselves out eventually. Further, if you're too stupid and irresponsible to realize that trying type messages into your cellphone while driving, what reason is there to think that you're responsible enough and informed enough to follow a newly passed law that's basically unenforceable?

Do you support drinking and driving as well?
Rhinox
I disagree with seatbelt laws. I could go into why, but I'll play that later. At the end of the day, if you don't wear your seatbelt, your'e the one to die, no one else. Texting puts everyone on the road at risk. That I cannot abide.
rodimus primevil
I dont support it, its unconstitutional. Where is it going to end next? I've already heard murmurs of laws going through California where you can't use bluetooth. What's next, no smoking in cars? It's invasion of privacy.
Jeremy
I don't disagree with this one, it's perfectly reasonable for the government to regulate and restrict the state you have to be in to drive your car, and this falls into that. It's not your right to drive drunk, it's not your right to drive wearing a blindfold, and it's not your right to text, eat, read, or talk on the phone while driving. This is one of those laws where any reasonable person would understand the intent behind it, even if they're technically "giving up a freedom", because that freedom infringes upon the safety of others.

But hey, anything to give people an excuse to cry boogeyman and draw retarded, inaccurate, slippery slope comparisons to Russia or Nazi Germany...
MrBlud
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I dont support it, its unconstitutional. Where is it going to end next? I've already heard murmurs of laws going through California where you can't use bluetooth. What's next, no smoking in cars? It's invasion of privacy.


I've heard Cops will pull you over for firing a gun out of the car while you're driving.

Haven't they heard of the Second Amendment?

It's like I'm living in Soviet Germany.
WaveRyder
QUOTE(rodimus primevil @ Aug 6 2009, 08:54 PM) *
I dont support it, its unconstitutional. Where is it going to end next? I've already heard murmurs of laws going through California where you can't use bluetooth. What's next, no smoking in cars? It's invasion of privacy.


Actually, I hope they pass a "No Smoking in Cars" law. Here in AZ, quite a few wild fires are caused by drivers throwing butts out the window while driving. Being a smoker who drives long distances, I can honestly say that you can go across town/country and not have to light up while driving.
lonegamer8
Heavens knows how many times I see erratic cars and it turns out the person is either texting or have one hand on the wheel (usually one hand on the wheel, but that's more than enough). As much as you can drive with one hand, you have a slightly better control with two hands. And even if you don't have Bluetooth, most cell phones these days have speakerphone so that's a bit of an alternative if you forget to slip on the Bluetooth. But texting while driving? What are you trying to do, take yourself and somebody else out with you?
God Fire Ginrai
I'm completely in favor of this law. Texting requires a whole new level of distraction and has no place in the hands of a driver.

Cell phones on the other hand, I have no problem with. Laws against cell phones are probably easier to enforce, but less effective. I will claim to be someone that can easly drive and talk at the same time. There are plenty of people that can hardly do either well independant of one another.

QUOTE(Shattered @ Aug 6 2009, 07:05 PM) *
QUOTE(Pigbag @ Aug 6 2009, 05:54 PM) *
Yes. I don't know how to enforce it, though. All cell phone use should be banned for drivers.


Apparently neither can the New York State troopers. Texting while driving is now illegal in this state, but they can't pull you over for it. Brilliant.


The law is pretty bungled here. You can't be pulled over for texting alone, but if you are pulled over for another reason; this can be added to the list.
Waspinator
If you're not wearing a seat belt, that at least is usually not a distraction that would actually cause an accident. It can make an accident worse, but not cause one. If you're not paying attention to the road because you've got your cell phone in your hand, you ARE being a danger to all those around you and a potential accident waiting to happen. You simply can not drive as well if you're doing two things at once with your hands. At least speakerphones let you keep your hands free and on the wheel.
Bass X0
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I do not support laws like this. It's unenforceable,


You might be right that its unenforceable properly on a realistic level but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be against the law to do so.

QUOTE(rodimus primevil @ Aug 7 2009, 04:54 AM) *
I dont support it, its unconstitutional. Where is it going to end next? I've already heard murmurs of laws going through California where you can't use bluetooth. What's next, no smoking in cars? It's invasion of privacy.


I personally think that safeguards in place for a drivers safety and those who share the road with them over-rules constitution. Or should do.
Stormrave
Yes.

Texting while driving is dangerous for two reasons: 1. you can't type and keep both (or either, really) hands on the wheel and 2. your attention is split between what is around your car and what you are typing.

I also support the cell phone ban, because even if you have a hands free headset (and most people don't) you need to wear it into, and out of, your car, otherwise you're fiddling with it when you should have your attention on the road, and its not that hard to pull over to return a call...what' s so important that it can't wait 5 minutes? But I do take a point that if you WERE to wear the set into and out of the car, it could be done safely. IF this was more widespread, cell phone bans might not be necessary.

Basically, I won't do in a car, anything I wouldn't do in an airplane. I sure as hell wouldn't try to text and fly, though as in Newsy's example, talking over a radio headset is perfectly safe in a plane. On the other hand, radio communication in a plane is absolutely vital to safe operation of the vehicle, whereas unless you are a cop, CIA agent or something similar, talking on the phone while you are driving doesn't seem to be a necessity.

Cops need to have the power to pull over, and ticket, people they see yakking on cell phones.


Rhinox: In Canada, I have a counterargument - since we have public health care, our health care dollars pay to fix people who mess themselves up in car accidents, therefore, seat belt laws can equal less taxes when they equal less damage to people involved in accidents, and we all pay enough taxes already. (and yes, there are cases where some people survive with injuries instead of just dying out right, which is more expensive to the system, but as a whole I think it stands).

Canthros
This probably belongs in P&R.

QUOTE(aDam @ Aug 6 2009, 11:30 PM) *
Do you support drinking and driving as well?

I don't support texting while driving: it is stupid and dangerous, and people should not do things which are either. I oppose making it illegal, because the resulting statute would be next to impossible to enforce and the behavior could be lumped under existing reckless driving laws without requiring extra legal action. These are two different things, and it is a mistake to conflate them.

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 7 2009, 04:20 AM) *
You might be right that its unenforceable properly on a realistic level but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be against the law to do so.

An unenforceable law is, at best, a waste of taxpayer money on the part of legislature that passed it. It increases the size of the legal code, and, if poorly written, can potentially offer new ways to be arrested for reasonable behavior. It is, at best, a law with no force or impact whatever. What you propose is that we do something, even if it costs more and nets, practically, the same result as doing nothing.

Whereas doing nothing costs nothing, harms no-one, and does not result in an additional law being thrown on the books.
son of unicron
i have a friend that texts while driving. its always very... unnerving. ill just text her to see if we were hanging out that night and id get a text back something like ' sure! ill let you know when i get home, im still on my way home ' icon-wildride.gif

she already has a pretty healthy accident history ( though she claims none of it is her fault )
Rhinox
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In Canada, I have a counterargument - since we have public health care, our health care dollars pay to fix people who mess themselves up in car accidents, therefore, seat belt laws can equal less taxes when they equal less damage to people involved in accidents, and we all pay enough taxes already. (and yes, there are cases where some people survive with injuries instead of just dying out right, which is more expensive to the system, but as a whole I think it stands).


If/when we get public health care in America, my stance might change. Right now, though, I remain against them.
JCurwen
QUOTE(Canthros @ Aug 7 2009, 07:42 AM) *
This probably belongs in P&R.

QUOTE(aDam @ Aug 6 2009, 11:30 PM) *
Do you support drinking and driving as well?

I don't support texting while driving: it is stupid and dangerous, and people should not do things which are either. I oppose making it illegal, because the resulting statute would be next to impossible to enforce and the behavior could be lumped under existing reckless driving laws without requiring extra legal action. These are two different things, and it is a mistake to conflate them.

QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 7 2009, 04:20 AM) *
You might be right that its unenforceable properly on a realistic level but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be against the law to do so.

An unenforceable law is, at best, a waste of taxpayer money on the part of legislature that passed it. It increases the size of the legal code, and, if poorly written, can potentially offer new ways to be arrested for reasonable behavior. It is, at best, a law with no force or impact whatever. What you propose is that we do something, even if it costs more and nets, practically, the same result as doing nothing.

Whereas doing nothing costs nothing, harms no-one, and does not result in an additional law being thrown on the books.

I agree. It would be a waste of time and money.
Adam
QUOTE(rodimus primevil @ Aug 6 2009, 11:54 PM) *
I dont support it, its unconstitutional. Where is it going to end next? I've already heard murmurs of laws going through California where you can't use bluetooth. What's next, no smoking in cars? It's invasion of privacy.

What the hell? How it is unconstitutional? Is drunk driving unconstitutional? Driving without a license? This is something which clearly impairs your ability to drive, the only thing silly about the law is the difficulty to enforce it, but a crime you get away with isn't right.

The bluetooth laws make sense too. Studies have shown your driving is impaired even when using bluetooth. It's not the act of holding the phone to your ear, but the talking to someone who's not there that hugs you up. Texting of course makes you look away and is undefendeable by anyone but a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

Your smoking strawman has no basis in reality, since it is not an impairment to driving. That's a children's health issue which is a whole other thing.

But talking about the strawman smoking argument, I said a girl on her cell phone while smoking a few weeks ago. The cell phone hand was at her ear, the smoking hand was going from her mouth to the wheel.

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I don't support texting while driving: it is stupid and dangerous, and people should not do things which are either. I oppose making it illegal, because the resulting statute would be next to impossible to enforce and the behavior could be lumped under existing reckless driving laws without requiring extra legal action. These are two different things, and it is a mistake to conflate them.
Who cares? It should still be illegal, even if people can get away with it. I'm not allowed to hug my dog, but there's no way in hell a cop could arrest me for it.

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An unenforceable law is, at best, a waste of taxpayer money on the part of legislature that passed it. It increases the size of the legal code, and, if poorly written, can potentially offer new ways to be arrested for reasonable behavior. It is, at best, a law with no force or impact whatever. What you propose is that we do something, even if it costs more and nets, practically, the same result as doing nothing.
This is such a miniscule cost in the grand scheme of things.

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Whereas doing nothing costs nothing, harms no-one, and does not result in an additional law being thrown on the books.
Some people need to be told something's wrong. "Well if I shouldn't be doing it this would be illegal" *continues to do it*
Jeremy
Yeah, I didn't quite get that one, seems like he just threw "it's unconstitutional!" in there with no rhyme or reason. I'm pretty sure cars weren't mentioned in the constitution.

Hell, the right to bear arms is in the constitution, but there are all kinds of laws around gun ownership. You can't do whatever you want when it comes to cars either. OMG are we living in communist Germany or something LOL.

When it's a public safety issue and the police and health system are strained because of accidents caused by people doing dumb s**t in their cars, they do have a right to tell you what you can do. Brittany can wait ten freaking minutes until she gets home, or pull her car over to respond to the super important text from Chelsea. People have a right to text, but not when it's causing a hazard. I also have the right to drive my car on the roads without fear of being sideswiped by a lady on her phone or texting, who didn't look before she changed lanes.
Asquian
QUOTE(Rhinox @ Aug 7 2009, 07:11 AM) *
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In Canada, I have a counterargument - since we have public health care, our health care dollars pay to fix people who mess themselves up in car accidents, therefore, seat belt laws can equal less taxes when they equal less damage to people involved in accidents, and we all pay enough taxes already. (and yes, there are cases where some people survive with injuries instead of just dying out right, which is more expensive to the system, but as a whole I think it stands).


If/when we get public health care in America, my stance might change. Right now, though, I remain against them.

Fair enough. Without a seat belt, you have a much higher risk of being ejected from the vehicle. As such, you can find yourself being catapulted out your windshield, and through the windshield of the person you've crashed in to, further injuring them, or potentially being launched into innocent bystanders.

The seat belt reduces the risk you play as a projectile in case of an accident, and as such reduces the chances of injury to others. And incidentally can save your life as well, but that's obviously not what's important here.

I'm for banning cell phone use while driving as well. While I'm aware that it's possible to use a hands free model to make it so your physical attention is on driving, the problem can also be the conversation your having distracting your attention. Admittedly this is also possible when you have a passenger, but at least in that case that passenger would presumably be interested enough in their personal health to avoid distracting the driver dangerously, but someone on the other end of a phone line doesn't have that prerogative.

I feel this is a good step, though it will be difficult to enforce. The best thing to do is make it an offense that someone can be pulled over for and make the fines prohibitive. It won't stop it altogether but it would at least be a good deterrent.
skankerzero
I've never had any problems texting while driving.

I don't swerve or anything.

What does mess up my driving is trying to use my GPS. I find it's best for me to pull over to input an address if I need to.
Galenraff
QUOTE(the article)
Gov. Pat Quinn will sign an amendment to the Illinois Vehicle Code that prohibits writing, sending or receiving text messages while driving, said the governor's spokeswoman, Marlena Jentz. The bill does make texting exceptions for drivers who pull over to text or shift their car into park or neutral to message while stopped in traffic.

The bolded parts concern me. It's illegal for me to receive a text while driving? I have no control of that. I have control of whether I read it or not. But not whether I receive it.

And for the second bit, are we now going to be forced to sit behind people at a red light who have shifted into park or neutral, and will take additional time before hitting the gas when the light turns green because they have to go back into gear? That's going to cause a lot of rear-end collisions. It'll also give a lot of horns quite the workout. Making any sort of exception that involves obstructing traffic seems counterproductive. Even in Chicago where the traffic blows, you're still inching forward, not typically gridlocked for long enough to actually get a message out.

QUOTE(Canthros)
It's unenforceable, and there are already laws covering reckless driving and whatnot. Yes, texting while driving is stupid and dangerous.

I also agree with this 100%. Reckless driving laws are far too weak in general, but particularly in this state. A girl in town killed a guy on a bike because she hit him while downloading ringtones. She got $500 fine and 6 months probation, because the laws on the books were not strong enough that she'd have been convicted of anything bigger. Reckless driving needs to come with some very stiff consequences, prison time if you hurt others, and permanent loss of license. The range of things that qualify as "reckless" needs to be expanded to include things like eating, texting, smoking, etc. Trying to make laws about each one is just playing whack-a-mole.

QUOTE(aDam)
Do you support drinking and driving as well?

I'm assuming this question would come my way too. What a ridiculous mis-reading of the opinion. I don't support texting and driving any more than drinking and driving. I'm saying that the reckless driving laws should handle it. The fact that they don't is what's wrong. Yeah, passing individual laws is better than nothing, but as I almost always say in this sort of thing, the problem is consistency and enforcement of existing laws. Before they even talk about increasing jail time for DUI, for example, thinking it would be a bigger deterrent, they should be taking a hard look at how many people get out of it and why - because that's the bigger issue than the punishment. The fact that people are willing to take a chance because there is a reasonable expectation they can beat the system is why they do these things. If they knew for sure that if they screwed up, they'd go down, and hard, most people wouldn't bother. But right now? They're pretty sure they can get away with it, and the problem is that they're mostly right.

As for the constitutionality argument, some people would do well to remember that driving is a licensed activity, not a right. The government grants you the privilege of operating a piece of heavy machinery, and has 100% say over what you are and aren't allowed to do as part of that license. If you ever disagree with the rules, you have complete freedom about what to do. You can choose not to drive, and then do whatever you like while you walk to wherever you are going. Once again for emphasis: driving is not a right.

(And honestly, I wish the government would start getting a lot stricter about who they do and don't issue those licenses to.)
NICKSTART
Just another excuse for cops to pull you over because they feel like it. I do not support.

God damn illinois. Can't smoke inside. Can't text while driving. Can't buy fireworks.
Galenraff
QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Aug 7 2009, 04:04 PM) *
Just another excuse for cops to pull you over because they feel like it. I do not support.

God damn illinois. Can't smoke inside. Can't text while driving. Can't buy fireworks.

But...they can't pull you over for it. That's part of the complaint. It's ticketable, but not cause for a stop. They have to pull you over for something else, and if they notice you're doing this, will ticket you for it. So it won't be that effective.

And the not smoking inside thing is one of the best things about this state. Or have you not been out in the past 2 years and noticed that you don't have to smell like a friggin' ashtray when you go home, and that food in restaurants tastes like food now? Unless you're actually a smoker, in which case I suppose I should (but won't) apologize for you being forced by law to have the decency to not make the rest of us stink or breathe carcinogens. So I'll say that I'm sorry if that seems an abrasive stance to take, but I'm not going to back down on that issue. Smokers *shouldn't* have a right to endanger others everyplace they go. And since the courts actually refuse to recognize cigarettes as the poison they are and to hold the companies liable for the health problems of them (including secondhand), unlike texting, the existing laws are insufficient and so we do need those particular anti-smoking laws.

But back on the topic, I still think this is a good thing, it's just not being done the best way in order to be most effective, which is kind of annoying.
Optimal-T
In Ontario it's already illegal to use your cellphone without an HFD. As far as my mother is concerned all of it should be banned because it takes your attention away from driving.
I wouldn't text while I'm driving anyways because it's just as, if not even more, dangerous than driving while you're drunk.
Rhinox
QUOTE(Asquian @ Aug 7 2009, 11:05 AM) *
QUOTE(Rhinox @ Aug 7 2009, 07:11 AM) *
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In Canada, I have a counterargument - since we have public health care, our health care dollars pay to fix people who mess themselves up in car accidents, therefore, seat belt laws can equal less taxes when they equal less damage to people involved in accidents, and we all pay enough taxes already. (and yes, there are cases where some people survive with injuries instead of just dying out right, which is more expensive to the system, but as a whole I think it stands).


If/when we get public health care in America, my stance might change. Right now, though, I remain against them.

Fair enough. Without a seat belt, you have a much higher risk of being ejected from the vehicle. As such, you can find yourself being catapulted out your windshield, and through the windshield of the person you've crashed in to, further injuring them, or potentially being launched into innocent bystanders.

The seat belt reduces the risk you play as a projectile in case of an accident, and as such reduces the chances of injury to others. And incidentally can save your life as well, but that's obviously not what's important here.

I'm for banning cell phone use while driving as well. While I'm aware that it's possible to use a hands free model to make it so your physical attention is on driving, the problem can also be the conversation your having distracting your attention. Admittedly this is also possible when you have a passenger, but at least in that case that passenger would presumably be interested enough in their personal health to avoid distracting the driver dangerously, but someone on the other end of a phone line doesn't have that prerogative.

I feel this is a good step, though it will be difficult to enforce. The best thing to do is make it an offense that someone can be pulled over for and make the fines prohibitive. It won't stop it altogether but it would at least be a good deterrent.


Contrived, but I can go with it. icon-ironhide.gif
lostorbit
Tonight I drove with the window rolled down and my arm hanging out the window. In the other hand I was texting on my cell phone while I talked on my other phone, cradled on my shoulder.
Canthros
QUOTE(lostorbit @ Aug 7 2009, 10:25 PM) *
Tonight I drove with the window rolled down and my arm hanging out the window. In the other hand I was texting on my cell phone while I talked on my other phone, cradled on my shoulder.

Should've also smoked a stogie while drinking a nice, hot cup of McDonald's coffee and exceeding the speed limit.

(Or not.)
lostorbit
Well I had to throw the cigar out the window to free up a hand, and the hot coffee was situated between my legs. Nature's cup holder.

But to be serious, this is something I've thought a lot about. And I have to say that I'm still personally against making this a law. It's practically unenforceable, and unless it's made a primary offense you can't get pulled over just for texting on your phone. Plus, it's vague. What if I'm not texting, but I'm checking eBay on my phone? What if I'm playing a game on my iPod? There's already reckless driving laws that would cover this, not to mention playing with the radio, applying makeup, eating, and so on. I guess what bugs me the most is that they single out texting. Why not a law that says you can't make balloon animals while driving?

But I have to temper my own opinion with what's good for society overall. In the history of automobiles, cell phone usage is still a very new thing. There was a time when seat belt laws weren't in place, too. But because they are, and they've been that way for so long now, people wear them out of habit simply because they've always known it's the law.

I used to use my phone a lot while driving, and didn't really think about the implications. But when I did, I made a personal decision not to use my phone while driving, and remain focused on the road. If everyone did that of course, laws would be redundant. Besides common sense, scientific studies prove you are too distracted to text while driving. By putting laws into place, I think it will create a new generation of drivers who don't do it simply because it's against the law, much like seatbelt use is basically second nature for most people.
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QUOTE(lostorbit @ Aug 7 2009, 10:25 PM) *
Tonight I drove with the window rolled down and my arm hanging out the window. In the other hand I was texting on my cell phone while I talked on my other phone, cradled on my shoulder.


Were you driving with your knees or elbows?

Seriously though, I can't reiterate enough how much I support this law; but wish it was more enforceable. I just learned today that this may have played a big role in the death of an 18 year old girl from the town I grew up in a few weeks ago. Ultimately, it comes down to carelessness; but why allow something that can ONLY cause distraction on the road. I've texted while driving before, and while I do I good job of it most of the time; I can certainly account for a few occasions where I realized how lucky I was to have well aligned tires.

If I take any issue with this at all, it's that many people will view this as synonymous with talking while driving.
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