http://www.offworld.com/2009/07/gallery-th...wn-steampu.html

Prepare for Epic Mickey!

I... don't know what to think... other than I think I can't wait for this...

I was interested up until the point i found out that apparently its a Wii only game. Which means thats its very unlikely it will look a beautiful as the concept art shows it to be. That and the fact I would have to buy a console that I despise... *sighs* Well at least there is still edge of twilight coming out to satisfy my love for the steampunk art style.

zombie robot goofy? Interesting.

You seem to despise the winners.. don't you?

A fair concern. I wish it were out on a true next gen system, but it could still be good despite 5 year old graphics.

Perhaps Disney doesn't want to spend 50 trillion dollars and wait for the -next- gen for it to be released.

It's Disney. People usually wait for them, and this isn't some shovelware they need to get out as soon as possible.

No way Disney would ever release something that does that to their characters and their theme parks. No way.

I mean, if they did, it'd be awesome. But no way. Right?

So... what? Their going to let the game go gold then throw the masters in the secret underground vault right next to walt disney's body, the skeleton of the mutant that inspired mickey mouse and nearly a hundred years of nazi propoganda?

Kingdom Hearts.

*jaw drops*

Holy Jumping Tiggers on a pogostick. I... am sold.

poor poor Monstro... that's gotta hurt.

This game take your natural conseptions about Disney and turns thim inside out

... I ....I think I'm in love.

I'm going to take a huge, wild guess right now.

The story is you have to liberate Disney from this guy who's taking the company's legacy and slapping the creator of this world's name onto subpar stuff. The big bad's name? Mikhail Isnar.

unless i see Mickey Mouse getting raped with a broken bottle then im not interested.

0_o

Okay, they've some bad movies over the years... but where the hug did THAT come from?!?!

....

You've got some weird, weird fetishes.

Holy jive want.

Too bad it's on Wii, something like this REALLY needs better visuals than what Wii can provide.

Wii can do some pretty nice stuff. See: Metroid.


I'd like it on PC, so it can do really nice visuals and I can actually get that version.

This is the internet. If you want to it that badly, go mess around with whatever image search you prefer. Or just skip straight to deviant art.

As for the game.....interesting, but I want to see more before I form a stronger opinion.

If by winners you mean top sellers then I would have to point out that high sales do not always mean high quality. If that was the case the Deer Hunter series would have to be reguarded as almost the zenith of PC gaming.

Its not just that however.. I speak from personal experience when I say this project is ill suited and wasted on the Wii. Me and my better half are both very passionate about Steampunk and Clockwork as artstyles, and we both have experience in rendering said styles in both terms of 3D modeling and textureing. I know from our own attempts that the beauty, complexity, and detail of such styles cannot be properly done justice in the constrained and low def media enviroment that the wii provides. You simply cannot capture the essence without diluting it so much that it isnt worth the work. Its like if you gave Michelangelo crayons and then set him out to do the Sistine Chapal ceiling. You may get all the basic components there but the end result would be wholely different and far less impressive.

To be quite honest the knowledge that this game will most likely only end up on the Wii when pushing it back even a year would allow it to be transffered over to a superior system with superior controls is almost heart wrenching to the artist in me. To see its amazing potential squandered is almost tragic.

Ok, I hate to be a downer, but I read the entire article, and while the pictures look nice. Nothing told me anything about what the game is actually going to be about.

I'm afraid I can't get excited about this till I know gameplay/storyline details.

Can I laugh at what you just said? Superior controls? Are you kidding me? Frankly, after playing video games since the the first pong came out, all I can say you sir, know nothing about video game controls. As it stands right now, the controls for PS3 and XBOX are obsolete. Why do you think M$ and Sony are attempting to clone motion controls ... a feature they considered a Gimmick when Nintendo announced it and that has proven it's quality and superiority?

Project Natal rings a bell? And as an old gamer, who went through Color Computer 3, Atari 2600, NES, GENESIS, Super Nes, PS1, N64, Gamecube, PS2 , Gameboy, GBA, NDS, and Now Wii and XBOX360, I can honestly say game companies have lost the touch on gaming controls and gameplay a long time ago in favor of graphics. Which is a shame.

This game will look good, but only if you can put your ego and superioty mentality in the closet. Because video gaming was never about graphics, its about Gameplay. Somewhere along the way, someone forgot about that, hence why most good games come from the 8-bit and 16-bit era because back then, it was all about "playing it" and not "watching it".

This game will look good as long as the Gameplay delivers. It doesn't matter if it's on Wii, PS3 or Xbox 360, as long as the gameplay is worth it. I didn't get into gaming in the early 80's for the visuals. Fine if they look good, but if the gameplay can be compared to a monkey attached to a chair with ropes, it's not worth it no matter how good it looks. The artist in me doesn't give a crap about how it will end up looking. I don't even know the type of game play this game has.

"Superior controls" depend on genre. Wii is much better for FPS, for example.

I'll probably get this game. That said... as much as I love the idea of exploring the world depicted in that art in videogame form, and as much as I enjoy playing the Wii... I'm inclined to agree that I can't really see the system as being capable of recreating the beauty in that concept art. Even most PS3 and and 360 games, IMO, often dissapoint when you compare the final rendered graphics to some high-res concept art published before release. The Wii is capable of some surprisingly impressive graphics, but certainly not that. Here's hoping we get at sequel to this one on the Wii's HD-capable successor.

Also, Disney really needs to build this place as an actual park.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/7/22/

Regardless, I find it hard to credit that the PS3 and 360 controllers are obselete. The Wii is a fad, a gimmick. It sells because it's the core feature of the collections of tawdry minigames the system uses to stay afloat. Hate to break it to you, but people aren't lining up to buy Super Mario Galaxy, or any other title of quality on the Wii (Of which there are plenty). They're buying Wii Sports. And Wii Fit. And Wii Sports Summer Resort.

Sony and Microsoft follow the money. But expect the Natal and whatever Sony intend to throw out to be effectively like the iToy... A gimmicky piece of tat used by a handful of games that are quietly forgotten.

Did you seriously just say that

It's such a gimmick that it is copied by Sony and Microsoft as we speak. Cause you know, they want the gimmick too, because it sells. We live in a world of gimmicks. The Xbox 360 is probably the biggest gimmick ever. Seriously, I have one and I keep wondering why it has all these useless gimmicky features I don't even use. You sir are bitter.

Oh and yes, I said M$, and I don't feel ashamed of it. I worked for Microsoft for 6 years, Microsoft really deserves the title. I was a customer support manager there. And yes, I know of Penny Arcade ... and no I don't like Star Trek and don't cosplay in front of my computer. I feel you guys are as geeky as they come when you link stuff like that, seriously. I had a great time working at Microsoft actually. A lot of nice people working there. The suits who work there though ...

Actually, you'd be the bitter one.

More importantly, you've edited his reply into something it wasn't.

No I didn't, and no I'm not bitter. If I was bitter I wouldn't have gotten a XBOX 360 and be all like "zomg PS3 is so much better bwaaaaaaah!". I'm just realistic. I think you are confused. And since when did this topic turn from EPIC MICKEY to Console wars? Heck, I never said the Wii was the best thing since sliced bread. While I feel the controls of Ps3 and Xbox are obsolete, I do enjoy them when there is something good that interests me.

Epic Mickey ... back on topic.

About what? I don't own one because, like the PS3, there aren't enough games I'd actually sit down and play to justify the cost of the system. To be honest, my 360 barely justifies it's existance, and that's almost entirely thanks to Live Arcade. You can take your Halos and your Killzones, Geometry Wars 2 is brilliant.

They're making their money, and fair play to them for doing so. But if you don't think the Natal won't go the way of he iToy, you're sadly mistaken.

You did. He wasn't referring to the Wii as a gimmick to be forgotten, that was to the Natal and PS3 thing in comparison to the iToy.

Too soon to tell actually. And I agree with your Halo and Killzone comment. And yes, Geometry Wars is a brilliant game. I actually enjoy Wiiware and LIve Arcade a lot more than any retail game, which is kinda sad.

NIIIIIICE

The Seven Dwarf Harvester Mechs sealed the deal.

I know right? lol I especially like the Mickey mech zombie, monster thing. It looks so evil.

I was gonna write some longwinded post but I realized I'm just killing time until Murray comes back to this thread.

At least I'm not alone, then. Here, have a coke, the popcorn should be done in a minute.

Wii visuals do seem to be picking up as shown here:
Metroid Other M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNxeCHpp08E
Super Mario Galaxy 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx_Yt9_3tTs...feature=channel
Resident Evil Darkside Chronicles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf8YK3KQEpA
Dead Space Extraction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cN1MLn6A9w
Final Fantasy The Crystal Bearers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtOunmJqqXU
Spyborgs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30MdkUOcUJQ

Failing realistic, they could go for other options and render it like Okami or something.

Okay what's with the 1280x720 images in there? The Wii is incapable of displaying graphics in that resolution, so those are not Wii screenshots.

As for the rest, I'm sorry but those are 5 years ago's graphics. That is not up to snuff with the current systems.

As for controller obsolescence, if the Wii truly was the future, the Power Glove would have swept the world.

*is distracted by the chick in Spyborgs*

Huh wait what? any image can be resized to fit what ever resoltion the web host desires it to be I dont think just becase the Wii cant dont be the image can be

And yet, to me, they look like more interesting games than the latest shooter with so much detail that you can count the stubble on Badass #3's chin. Matter of preference, I suppose, but then, isn't that what "console wars" come down to anyway?

Ok, everyone needs to take a deep breath here. What's the point of console wars if the game isn't even out yet? We don't even have screenshots yet. Can we not judge until there's more info out? Maybe they'll be able to come up with tricks to make it work, maybe they won't. Besides, this early into production, they might decide to release it for other systems, too.

I'm not sure why the wait, its not like theres any factual rebuttle for what I said. Im honestly surprised anyone tried. Although I did get a chuckle out of where Graph took a line out of my post, misunderstood it, and then whipped into a furvor trying to agrue my own point to me as if it was a rebuttle. Yeah im aware sony and MS are copying the motion controls. Well, copying and upgrading. Thats the point. They are both coming out with them and in ways superior to the Wii's. Not that a split controller with some motion sensors was hard to top. Point is, they are superior control schemes and with Natal teniously slated for next year Disney could have put a wait on the project and went with a system that could deliver the same, if not improved, gameplay while also using a console capable of doing the art style justice.

Its not even debatable, its fact. Of the 3 consoles, which has the worst graphics. Wii. Of the 3 consoles which has the worst storage capacity, Wii. Worst audio? Wii. And once Sony or MS puts out their own upgraded versions of the Wii motion controls... All Nintendo is left with is a price point and Pokemon. At that point nothing else matters, every game on the Wii will be better suited on one the other consoles.

Dont get me wrong. I still hate motion controls. Oh I do. For me they do the exact opposite of what they are supposed to and drag me out of the immersion of a game instead of pulling me in. The times I've spent playing the Wii have been the most joyless unimmersive gaming experiences of my life and to see Sony and MS taking up the concept as well feels like the bell tolling on my days as a console gamer. But thats not the point I was making in my earlier post. My point was about the looming obsolescence of the Wii and how the project could see a much better realization if only some patience was applied on the part of Disney. And like it or not, thats simply a fact at this point.


[edit] One last thing, Graph? Sorry but if you want to act like you got more cred going on because your an old gamer and have all these old machines? *holds up his 2600* Sorry.

The concept pieces are stunning, but I think the premise of something with children's appeal warped and twisted into something darker is tired and old at this point. Even if it is a franchise that hasn't experienced that treatment in any official capacity in the past. That's just me, though. Kingdom Hearts is one of my favorite game franchises, but I don't think I'd put that in the same class of "dark".
I'd be interested in seeing how well that art translates, though. The Wii definitely needs more games like this, something that is a bit more off the beaten path and seems a bit more cerebral.



Around the time that you started flinging creepily narrow nerd rage and bitterness.
How exactly is the entire 360 system "the biggest gimmick ever"? That's pretty vague, do elaborate.

If you tell me that Live is a gimmick and a fad (and online gameplay in general), many lol's will be had.

Ah yes, the ever faithful "nerd rage" argument. Whatever, If it makes you feel good to think that way. I won't stop you lol. I think I'm done arguing with kids today

I.ve been playing World of Warcraft since launch, why would I consider online gameplay a gimmick?

In any case, I love how you all defend yourselves with attacks like "nerd rage", "Oh no you said M$" and links to comics and attempt to brand me with your nerdy ways. I don't know who is the nerd here, me, or the ones pointing links and using ridiculous attacks like you just did. Just tells me you couldn't find better ways to talk about a subject, which I might add, is completely off topic.

Oh well lol. I guess this board doesn't escape it either.




Oh god, please get over yourself lol.



Again, games aren't about graphics. You have movies for that. Storage, yeah, there I can't disagree, but it hasn't come as a factor so far. I haven't filled my SD card yet. As for Audio, I don't know. I haven't come accross any retail games on my Xbox that really stood out on the sound factor. It's really not a factor for me. Gameplay is what is important.

I'm done with you, you obviously are a 360 or PS3 fanboy, I guess I just noticed it lol Not to mention you are so full of yourself that I think you'd probably an enjoy an orgy composed of clones of yourself. That's kinda of creepy. But please let's argue more when you get that head out of somewhere.

pffft *holds up his 1975-76 pong machine*
If it credit you want I have enough to spare so you can play my Streetfighter II Arcade machine