Since theres no proper discussion topic that I can see for those of us that have seen it, I may as well make one myself.
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I enjoyed most of it. I do think the end battle scene went on for too long where it really turned into a explosion fest. I also didn't believe for a moment that Sam had died.
I am glad that they put more Transformers in it this time other than a small cast like in the previous movie. But I have to say that several of them were just there for the sake of being there; many didn't really do much in terms of the storyline other than to show off a brief but flashy action scene, especially at the beginning.
Some random comments: The Autobot twins aren't quite as bad as I thought they would be but the movie wouldn't have lost anything if they hadn't been in it. Bumblebee was okay and thankfully they didn't overplay his radio communication this time. Jetfire was quite hilarious. Easily the best Transformer in the movie just for his attitude although even he wasn't immune to fart jokes and swearing for comical effect instead of being written decently. I was surprised to see him die - I thought he would have combined with Optimus in the traditional way with him becoming sentient armor for him but no, Prime wore Jetfire's remains as armor and then discarded them once he was done with them. I didn't even see Optimus Prime show any emotion or much awareness of Jetfire's existence. Jolt also made a very brief cameo - I almost missed him; he was a blue robot who helped pull Jetfire's remains towards Optimus Prime. It was only because he was blue that I saw him and thought "hey, that was Jolt!" Optimus Prime had a cool line - "I stand, you fall" or something very close to that after defeating someone, I forget who. Mountain Dew product placement strikes again! And Soundwave's voice was awesome. Not quite G1 Soundwave but still recognisably Welker.
So yeah, it was better than the first movie but still not a great movie. Bay would have done better had he concentrated on giving the Transformers more characterisation than on making things explode. There was also the cliche hero and heroine running away from an explosion in slow motion scene.
MOVIE PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION THREAD
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Lucky. I don't get to see it till Tuesday. 
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Good fun, not going to convert the haters, but if you liked the first, you'll love it. Best use of the word 'bollocks' in a Hollywood film!
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 19 2009, 10:26 AM) 
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fart jokes
fart jokes
I
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http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=1135444
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That's the fart joke with the parachute, yes?
That's the fart joke with the parachute, yes?
Saw it loved it. Damn good movie and lots of Decepticon characterisation.
Pros (loads)
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Lots of characters
Matrix!
Devastator and the constructicons actually being 2 different teams. Didn't see that one coming Mr. Bay, well done.
The twins - funny, well used.
Wheelie
The forest fight scene was intense
....BONECRUSHER HATES BEING IN THIS MOVIE!
Sideswipe (and yes his robot mode is in it for a lot longer than just the Shanghai scene. He's an awesome cocky robot).
Very fast paced.
The scene in Egypt with Sam and his father almost had me in tears.
Lots of funny jokes.
SOundwave and Welker are awesome.
Ravage.
The fight scene between Bumblebee and rampage was brilliant
Jetfire was funny and great.
Cons (Unfortunately, me my wife and my best friend have been sitting here nit picking this film for the last hour, there are a few things to bitch about).
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Alice as a pretender - no point, no explanation and just felt wrong (plus gratuitous panty shot was off).
The Maguffin rail gun that Simmons got to fire with no autherisation to take down Devastator.
Also Mudflap fighting his way out of Devs mouth. His death actually shocked me, I wish it'd stayed.
Bumblebee was criminally underused.
Too many faceless robots (jolt, Arcee twins, rachet, constructicons, side ways, Demolisher, devastator, the doctor) all could have benefitted from more screen time.
BONECRUSHER HATES NOT BEING IN MOVIE FOR MORE THAN 2 SCENES.
The fallen was actually a weak character who weakened Megatron in my opinion. The film could have removed him entirely and just focused on Megatron's hunt for the Matrix and been better for it.
Confused plot until half way through then it got it straight.
Overall 8/10. Going to see it again on Sunday.
On a side note: why is this the pre-release reaction thread? It's not pre-release over here, it's out and we're discussing it, I thought the 'spark still considered itself to be a community, which means UKers get to post the same too (I know this seems over the top but the title bugged me).
Pros (loads)
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Lots of characters
Matrix!
Devastator and the constructicons actually being 2 different teams. Didn't see that one coming Mr. Bay, well done.
The twins - funny, well used.
Wheelie
The forest fight scene was intense
....BONECRUSHER HATES BEING IN THIS MOVIE!
Sideswipe (and yes his robot mode is in it for a lot longer than just the Shanghai scene. He's an awesome cocky robot).
Very fast paced.
The scene in Egypt with Sam and his father almost had me in tears.
Lots of funny jokes.
SOundwave and Welker are awesome.
Ravage.
The fight scene between Bumblebee and rampage was brilliant
Jetfire was funny and great.
Cons (Unfortunately, me my wife and my best friend have been sitting here nit picking this film for the last hour, there are a few things to bitch about).
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Alice as a pretender - no point, no explanation and just felt wrong (plus gratuitous panty shot was off).
The Maguffin rail gun that Simmons got to fire with no autherisation to take down Devastator.
Also Mudflap fighting his way out of Devs mouth. His death actually shocked me, I wish it'd stayed.
Bumblebee was criminally underused.
Too many faceless robots (jolt, Arcee twins, rachet, constructicons, side ways, Demolisher, devastator, the doctor) all could have benefitted from more screen time.
BONECRUSHER HATES NOT BEING IN MOVIE FOR MORE THAN 2 SCENES.
The fallen was actually a weak character who weakened Megatron in my opinion. The film could have removed him entirely and just focused on Megatron's hunt for the Matrix and been better for it.
Confused plot until half way through then it got it straight.
Overall 8/10. Going to see it again on Sunday.
On a side note: why is this the pre-release reaction thread? It's not pre-release over here, it's out and we're discussing it, I thought the 'spark still considered itself to be a community, which means UKers get to post the same too (I know this seems over the top but the title bugged me).
Voice cast info, because goshdang it, someone had to!
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers...o-spoilers.html
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers...o-spoilers.html
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Bonecrusher is in the movie?
Bonecrusher is in the movie?
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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 19 2009, 10:26 AM)
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fart jokes
fart jokes
I
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http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=1135444
That's nothin. Watch the video of the kitchen bots from the front page. One of those guys has a penis gun that he jerks off to shoot.
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I really liked this movie. Still plenty funny, and the action was longer, clearer, and better than the first film.
Optimus making Megatron shoot himself in the face during the end fight is my favorite fekkin' thing, especially with the Starscream interaction afterwards. Then again, the spark crush was cool too."
Also Wheelie's "Who's your little Autobot?" is fantastic.
Oh, one thing that bugged me, but which wasn't the fault of the film itself - the level of discrepancy in the Fallen's backstory between the movie and comic is *mind-boggling*. I mean, I don't even really get how "Defiance" can have HAPPENED, now.
QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Jun 19 2009, 11:51 PM)
So I take it HIGHLIGHT to view:
Bonecrusher is in the movie?
Bonecrusher is in the movie?
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Yeh in the desert scene at the end, you see his vehicle form, then a few minutes later you see him rip open the top of a house
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QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Jun 19 2009, 11:51 PM)
So I take it HIGHLIGHT to view:
Bonecrusher is in the movie?
Bonecrusher is in the movie?
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Yeh in the desert scene at the end, you see his vehicle form, then a few minutes later you see him rip open the top of a house
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Well, more like, you see someone who LOOKS like him. He's not referred to by name, he's never shown being brought back to life, and much like the appearance of the helicopter who is identical to Blackout and not referred to by name (but has been called Grindor by other media), I doubt it's actually HIM. He wouldn't be the only "generic" in that battle sequence, after all - thing's lousy with 'em.
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 19 2009, 06:40 PM)
Voice cast info, because goshdang it, someone had to!
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers...o-spoilers.html
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers...o-spoilers.html
Glad to have that at last...now if only Wikipedia would actually let me add it.
Grey DeLisle is a great choice. Absolutely stunning as Azula from Avatar.
Randy
Randy
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 19 2009, 07:08 PM)
Oh, one thing that bugged me, but which wasn't the fault of the film itself - the level of discrepancy in the Fallen's backstory between the movie and comic is *mind-boggling*. I mean, I don't even really get how "Defiance" can have HAPPENED, now.
The Fallen has a different backstory in the film?
What's different?
QUOTE(AvisFelis @ Jun 20 2009, 08:00 AM)
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 19 2009, 07:08 PM)
Oh, one thing that bugged me, but which wasn't the fault of the film itself - the level of discrepancy in the Fallen's backstory between the movie and comic is *mind-boggling*. I mean, I don't even really get how "Defiance" can have HAPPENED, now.
The Fallen has a different backstory in the film?
What's different?
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He's not sealed in a freaking sarcophagus!! He's just sitting in the Nemesis on Mars! So how can Defiance - in which the Transformers unearth the sarcophagus containing him, setting everything in motion - happen?!
I am sure some fan will attempt to tie the two different back stories together somehow - we always do.
Random remark: You know you spend too much time on the wiki when an incidental non-character introduces themselves as "Captain Wilder", and the first thing you think is, "Great, now we have to disambiguate the Headmaster Junior."
Well, I didn't think of the wiki, but I did think of the Masterforce character.
I liked it, except for the characters just randomly appearing and disappearing (what happened to Wheelie and the Twins?) and the weak way Devastator got taken out.
It lost me half way
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After the Fallen addresses the world and the Decepticons invade en masse, the movie suddenly loses all punch and we get the far too long antics in Egypt. This includes ALOT of human screen time, which basically reduces both the the Autobots and Decepticons to running and shooting, whilst mumbling lines that the music muffles out.
I'm especially dissapointed by Prime's final fight. After the great forest fight and the buildup of the Fallen, Optimus just blows up the harvester with a single shot and then kicks around both the Fallen and Megatron at the same time. I'm sorry, what? I'm supposed to be satisfied with the incredibly drawn out village battle and Sam's soul searching? Optimus is the Autobot leader. If they were trying to play him and Sam as partners and saying they both earned the Matrix, they really shortchanged Prime.
The length even neuters plot points. The Fallen vanishes for at least over an hour and by the time the Decepticons try to bargain with the Witwicky's, I'd forgotten they'd been taken hostage in the first place.
I had my misgivings about the first film, but right now my opinion is the sequel is military fetish material smashed togethor with a bad teen comedy and some giant robots sprinkled in where ever they might fall.
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After the Fallen addresses the world and the Decepticons invade en masse, the movie suddenly loses all punch and we get the far too long antics in Egypt. This includes ALOT of human screen time, which basically reduces both the the Autobots and Decepticons to running and shooting, whilst mumbling lines that the music muffles out.
I'm especially dissapointed by Prime's final fight. After the great forest fight and the buildup of the Fallen, Optimus just blows up the harvester with a single shot and then kicks around both the Fallen and Megatron at the same time. I'm sorry, what? I'm supposed to be satisfied with the incredibly drawn out village battle and Sam's soul searching? Optimus is the Autobot leader. If they were trying to play him and Sam as partners and saying they both earned the Matrix, they really shortchanged Prime.
The length even neuters plot points. The Fallen vanishes for at least over an hour and by the time the Decepticons try to bargain with the Witwicky's, I'd forgotten they'd been taken hostage in the first place.
I had my misgivings about the first film, but right now my opinion is the sequel is military fetish material smashed togethor with a bad teen comedy and some giant robots sprinkled in where ever they might fall.
Here's my low-spoiler review of the film: http://www.redshirt.co.uk/media/transforme...-of-the-fallen/
My view? It's okay, but nothing to write home about. Did anyone really expect anything else?
My view? It's okay, but nothing to write home about. Did anyone really expect anything else?
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Blackout, the theories that HIGHLIGHT to view:
the unnamed helicopter in the movie is named Grindor seem to carry at least a little weird. On the other hand. Brawl was mis-named in the first movie, so who can say?
---Dave
Grindor is a redeco of HIGHLIGHT to view:
Blackout, the theories that HIGHLIGHT to view:
the unnamed helicopter in the movie is named Grindor seem to carry at least a little weird. On the other hand. Brawl was mis-named in the first movie, so who can say?
---Dave
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I've come to my own conclusion that it was Blackout in the forest and it was Boncrusher in Egypt. After all if Megs can be ressurected, why can't they?
The idea of identical but different named robots really bugs me and smacks of laziness so for ym own peace of mind I went for the ressurection option
I've come to my own conclusion that it was Blackout in the forest and it was Boncrusher in Egypt. After all if Megs can be ressurected, why can't they?
The idea of identical but different named robots really bugs me and smacks of laziness so for ym own peace of mind I went for the ressurection option
I've been talking to a US friend who wanted to know what I thought. Maybe we're wrong, but we're both convinced that the sheer volume of risque and immature moments (dry humping, drug use, swearing, etc) is going to bite the film in the butt, especially with parents. I think this time round they just went overboard and everyone was so drunk on the success of the last one they didn't care. Hasbro say they talk the public opinion of Transformers seriously...somhow I'm worried this movie will damage it for at least the next few years.
... So I guess the fanboys who wanted a darker, gritter, hotter and sexier Transformers are finally gonna get it. Greeeeeat 
QUOTE(HellCat @ Jun 21 2009, 12:16 AM)
I've been talking to a US friend who wanted to know what I thought. Maybe we're wrong, but we're both convinced that the sheer volume of risque and immature moments (dry humping, drug use, swearing, etc) is going to bite the film in the butt, especially with parents.
I'm inclined to agree. If "you crazy bitch!" had been the height of it, I wouldn't have been bothered, but they... they really just sort of kept going with it. Wheelie's got quite a foul mouth. I mean, I think the f-bomb was about all they DIDN'T drop.
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 20 2009, 08:00 PM)
QUOTE(HellCat @ Jun 21 2009, 12:16 AM)
I've been talking to a US friend who wanted to know what I thought. Maybe we're wrong, but we're both convinced that the sheer volume of risque and immature moments (dry humping, drug use, swearing, etc) is going to bite the film in the butt, especially with parents.
I'm inclined to agree. If "you crazy bitch!" had been the height of it, I wouldn't have been bothered, but they... they really just sort of kept going with it. Wheelie's got quite a foul mouth. I mean, I think the f-bomb was about all they DIDN'T drop.
Well, that and the dreaded C-bomb, I'm sure.
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 20 2009, 05:45 AM)
QUOTE(AvisFelis @ Jun 20 2009, 08:00 AM)
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 19 2009, 07:08 PM)
Oh, one thing that bugged me, but which wasn't the fault of the film itself - the level of discrepancy in the Fallen's backstory between the movie and comic is *mind-boggling*. I mean, I don't even really get how "Defiance" can have HAPPENED, now.
The Fallen has a different backstory in the film?
What's different?
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He's not sealed in a freaking sarcophagus!! He's just sitting in the Nemesis on Mars! So how can Defiance - in which the Transformers unearth the sarcophagus containing him, setting everything in motion - happen?!
This is exactly why I consider the comics to be on the level of glorified fan-fiction when it comes to canon and continuity and whatnot. As I mentioned in regard to a Barricade discussion on TFW2005:
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Eh, I don't really consider the comics to be canon. They're written totally separately from the movie scripts, and quite often it becomes painfully obvious just how little they actually matter when new material comes out.
Barricade had several "official" death scenes in the various spin-off material for TF1, but then again he was also shown to have survived in just as many. Starscream had several Cons resurrected as zombies using a method that's never referenced again and who were almost instantly re-killed. The Allspark mutations were smashed in about three different ways at three different times, and Jazz came back to life as a jerk.
New Autobots and Decepticons show up randomly (via either arrival from space in response to Optimus's signal, or being brought to life by the Allspark, and which bots came from which origin switches randomly from one story to the next) and then are never seen or talked about again. Etc...
When it comes to the movie-verse canon, the comics have about as much weight as fan-fiction in my opinion.
Barricade had several "official" death scenes in the various spin-off material for TF1, but then again he was also shown to have survived in just as many. Starscream had several Cons resurrected as zombies using a method that's never referenced again and who were almost instantly re-killed. The Allspark mutations were smashed in about three different ways at three different times, and Jazz came back to life as a jerk.
New Autobots and Decepticons show up randomly (via either arrival from space in response to Optimus's signal, or being brought to life by the Allspark, and which bots came from which origin switches randomly from one story to the next) and then are never seen or talked about again. Etc...
When it comes to the movie-verse canon, the comics have about as much weight as fan-fiction in my opinion.
To me, if it didn't happen in the movies it didn't happen.
I just have one question:
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Is Barricade in the movie? I don't need any details other than that, thanks!
Randy
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Is Barricade in the movie? I don't need any details other than that, thanks!
Randy
QUOTE(HellCat @ Jun 21 2009, 12:16 AM)
I've been talking to a US friend who wanted to know what I thought. Maybe we're wrong, but we're both convinced that the sheer volume of risque and immature moments (dry humping, drug use, swearing, etc) is going to bite the film in the butt, especially with parents. I think this time round they just went overboard and everyone was so drunk on the success of the last one they didn't care. Hasbro say they talk the public opinion of Transformers seriously...somhow I'm worried this movie will damage it for at least the next few years.
Next time there is a Hasbro Q&A, we should bring that up - does Hasbro think that the swearing, drug use and sexual references in the movies could cause a negative impact to Transformers reputation.
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jun 21 2009, 01:32 AM)
I just have one question:
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Is Barricade in the movie? I don't need any details other than that, thanks!
Randy
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Is Barricade in the movie? I don't need any details other than that, thanks!
Randy
Nope
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Though there are a ton of barely-seen generic-model Decepticons at the end, so he might be if you really wish him to be!
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Jun 20 2009, 05:00 PM)
QUOTE(HellCat @ Jun 21 2009, 12:16 AM)
I've been talking to a US friend who wanted to know what I thought. Maybe we're wrong, but we're both convinced that the sheer volume of risque and immature moments (dry humping, drug use, swearing, etc) is going to bite the film in the butt, especially with parents.
I'm inclined to agree. If "you crazy bitch!" had been the height of it, I wouldn't have been bothered, but they... they really just sort of kept going with it. Wheelie's got quite a foul mouth. I mean, I think the f-bomb was about all they DIDN'T drop.
Remind me what the drug use was again? I'm blanking.
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Sam's mother went to a bake-sale at Sam's new college and didn't know she had bought drugs thinking they were brownies or whatever although Sam, his father and the other college guys did. But they couldn't reason with her to give them up so they just let her have them.
Much to Sam's embarrassment at his mother talking to the college girls while being high.
Sam's mother went to a bake-sale at Sam's new college and didn't know she had bought drugs thinking they were brownies or whatever although Sam, his father and the other college guys did. But they couldn't reason with her to give them up so they just let her have them.
Much to Sam's embarrassment at his mother talking to the college girls while being high.
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 21 2009, 04:16 AM)
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Sam's mother went to a bake-sale at Sam's new college and didn't know she had bought drugs thinking they were brownies or whatever although Sam, his father and the other college guys did. But they couldn't reason with her to give them up so they just let her have them.
Much to Sam's embarrassment at his mother talking to the college girls while being high.
Sam's mother went to a bake-sale at Sam's new college and didn't know she had bought drugs thinking they were brownies or whatever although Sam, his father and the other college guys did. But they couldn't reason with her to give them up so they just let her have them.
Much to Sam's embarrassment at his mother talking to the college girls while being high.
I thought that bit was hilarious!
QUOTE(Blueshift @ Jun 21 2009, 03:52 AM)
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jun 21 2009, 01:32 AM)
I just have one question:
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Is Barricade in the movie? I don't need any details other than that, thanks!
Randy
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Is Barricade in the movie? I don't need any details other than that, thanks!
Randy
Nope
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Though there are a ton of barely-seen generic-model Decepticons at the end, so he might be if you really wish him to be!
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I hear you even see Bonecrusher!!! (or at least a bot that looks just like him/has the same alt.mode ala Grindor/Blackout). Would it really have killed them to throw Barricade in there and killed a few birds with one stone? (It would've provided closure for that plot hole, and it would've been one less new model needed.)
QUOTE(AvisFelis @ Jun 21 2009, 05:09 AM)
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I hear you even see Bonecrusher!!! (or at least a bot that looks just like him/has the same alt.mode ala Grindor/Blackout). Would it really have killed them to throw Barricade in there and killed a few birds with one stone? (It would've provided closure for that plot hole, and it would've been one less new model needed.)
I hear you even see Bonecrusher!!! (or at least a bot that looks just like him/has the same alt.mode ala Grindor/Blackout). Would it really have killed them to throw Barricade in there and killed a few birds with one stone? (It would've provided closure for that plot hole, and it would've been one less new model needed.)
Yeah, he's drivin' along at the end. I like to think it is him.
QUOTE(AvisFelis @ Jun 21 2009, 06:09 AM)
QUOTE(Blueshift @ Jun 21 2009, 03:52 AM)
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Jun 21 2009, 01:32 AM)
I just have one question:
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Is Barricade in the movie? I don't need any details other than that, thanks!
Randy
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Is Barricade in the movie? I don't need any details other than that, thanks!
Randy
Nope
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Though there are a ton of barely-seen generic-model Decepticons at the end, so he might be if you really wish him to be!
HIGHLIGHT to view:
I hear you even see Bonecrusher!!! (or at least a bot that looks just like him/has the same alt.mode ala Grindor/Blackout). Would it really have killed them to throw Barricade in there and killed a few birds with one stone? (It would've provided closure for that plot hole, and it would've been one less new model needed.)
Yeah I was hoping he would have been, considering his car was seen when filming had just started. Disappointing.
So I have to wonder what happened to him?
Randy
i have to say i was so phyched to see this film that i even payed extra to see it at the same place where the premier was held in London, yep i was probably sitting in the same seat that Megan Fox herself was a few days earlier. YAY me.
Now right off the bat im going to point out one thing that bothered me the whole film... just how weak the cons were, in the first film, they truely felt threatening, hell most of the cons were taking on 3 autobots at once, They were a menace. Here tbh it seems like the cons didnt take there vitamins, as they are getting owned HARD, hell even bumblebee whooped 2 at the same time god of war style
please excuse bad spelling, i has been drinking lol
The film starts out strong,
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Nice opening with Ironhide and the team taking out Demolisher and Sideways. Though tbh neither of these cons felt like much of a threat, Sideways just ran the whole time before getting easily diced by Sideswipe. Nice lil intro to the new characters, i thought, bet they're gonna get screentime.
where now on to sam and his folks for the college stuff, bits like this are priceless, the mum cracked me up constantly, and the appliance bot with the c@ck rocket had me and my buds in stitches, though the mum sure does have a dirty mouth. But hey the humour in this film REALLY worked, we laughed at every joke in the film. Sam has gone crazy after touching hte allspark and is seeing the symbols etc and painting them everywhere.
Soundwave, finds the location to the allspark and megs corpse, leading to some really good infiltration scenes, and the resurection of Megatron, who somehow manages to jump to mars in under 20 seconds, though we are granted a cool exchange with starscream, who now has a character, guess they had to take the moments from the autobots. nice to hear megatron is a lot easier to understand, his voice is noticably softer and hardly filtered. And hmmm the fallen is just there... in a chair. why i dont know.
Back in college we have pretender tech, very good sequence that's not only funny but quite badass, the good mix we've come to expect. and suddenly they've been caught by blackout and being interiogated by megs and the surgeon, as the symbols are a map to the location for the Matrix of Leadership!!!! which powers a sun destroying,energon building machine. pretty cool stuff. and prime an bb come for the save, with prime leading them to the forrest, cons chasing them. Epic fight scene, prime has been training it seems, he got an asskicking from megs last time but now whoops him, blackout AND starscream, Hell blackouts dead within 5 minutes, (prime does like his headshots) and then finally Oh jive primes dead!!!! yep, megs full on stabs him through the chest before the bots turn up to get sam outta there
The Decepticons are now on full on attack mode crashing into stuff etc and making demands.we now have sam, fox, college dude bb and the twins hiding out in some field, good character moments, whilst ironhide and the others (hey jolt stands around and ratchet even gets a line!!!) Sam, finds simmons after it turns out his running a conspiricy website and has seen the symbols before. que cameo from Frenzy! after seeing evidence of transformers being hidden on earth for years Fox manages to charm Wheelie into explaining that the text is old cybertronian that only the hidden bots could find and leads them to an airplane museum, que some more hillarious moments with simmons and Leo, and the awakening of Jetfire, who is a grumpy ol bastard "my father was a wheel! the first one, what did he transform into? Nothing! but he did it with honour.... yeah we were shouting this on the way home, its our new "for sparta" and now where in egypt and looking for the matrix due to a warp gate.... and in search of the matrix which could resurect prime, as only a prime can kill the fallen.... i dont know why. Our solider boys get a call from simmons about the quest and decide to disobey orders and go to egypt to give the resurection a chance, which is all overheard by soundwave. This is done well i thought and some really good moments with the annoying suit guy and an egyptian midget... after finding the location due to the twins fighitng we find the matrix is just dust, but hey there gonan try anyway. Starscream finds them on route and tries take them out whilst the rest of the cons and bots show up.
Onto the desert battle.... honestly just leave the cinema here, its carnage in C-Minor bad
So sams running, running running, random grunts are hanging around, Primes under a sheet, and devastator is erm, walking veeeeeery slowly + getting his ass kicked by the twins. who whilst i love shouldnt be doing this.. Remember in the first film when megs turns up, and ratchet kinda jives himself and you know jazz getting owned, made megs look intimadating, now here we get... nothing, seriously he does nothing but gets his ass kicked. im suprised wheelie dosent take him down with sams mum. It also seems that demolisher and sideways are back from the dead... how i dont know. and not only are there two rampages about in bot mode, there is double constructicons as you have the limbs fighting in the city in the same moment devastator walks about. Devastator manages to erm, knock the top off the pyramid before getting killed with 1 hugING SHOT from a human weapon, thats right, after getting his ass kicked by the twins and breaking a building he gets killed like Brawn from 85. BB is going GOW on ravage and rampage, scorpanock turns up to kill jetfire and get killed himself, i ..... have no f'n clue as to why. Sam gets blown up leading to some of the worst slowmo stuff ever, seriously people were laughing AT the film, and not in a good way, followed by a vision where he gets the matrix. Primes back to life and Jetfire decides to kill himself so Prime can fly, ohhh and look Jolt gets a name check and erm mods prime whilst the cheif medical officer... kinds stands around pointlessly. Prim now not only takes on the fallen and megs at the same time but manage to cut megs arm off, blow half his face off and go all Mortal Kombat on the fallen by ripping his face off and punching through his chest.....
que some slowmo's to show that everyones ok (apart from jetfire and two o the arcee drones no autobots were harmed.... at all. no wait ironhide got some chest damage......) now a speech by prime and we are a wrap.... dear god this last bit was awful
The Good.
The human characters had by far some of the best gags in the film, Leo was great.
The twins, ok so they were a very racist stereotype, but by god they were funny as hell, same with wheelie, lil dude just stole scenes.
The comedy in general in the film was top notch
Starscream getting more characterisation
The BAD
Jetfire, Devastator and the Fallen. Jetfire's death was pointless and just lame in general, and Devastator and the Fallen not only did nothing but had no precense
Megs getting his balls cut off
Random peeps coming back from the dead and being in two places at once
the third act in general, god good just leave the cinema
Now right off the bat im going to point out one thing that bothered me the whole film... just how weak the cons were, in the first film, they truely felt threatening, hell most of the cons were taking on 3 autobots at once, They were a menace. Here tbh it seems like the cons didnt take there vitamins, as they are getting owned HARD, hell even bumblebee whooped 2 at the same time god of war style
please excuse bad spelling, i has been drinking lol
The film starts out strong,
HIGHLIGHT to view:
Nice opening with Ironhide and the team taking out Demolisher and Sideways. Though tbh neither of these cons felt like much of a threat, Sideways just ran the whole time before getting easily diced by Sideswipe. Nice lil intro to the new characters, i thought, bet they're gonna get screentime.
where now on to sam and his folks for the college stuff, bits like this are priceless, the mum cracked me up constantly, and the appliance bot with the c@ck rocket had me and my buds in stitches, though the mum sure does have a dirty mouth. But hey the humour in this film REALLY worked, we laughed at every joke in the film. Sam has gone crazy after touching hte allspark and is seeing the symbols etc and painting them everywhere.
Soundwave, finds the location to the allspark and megs corpse, leading to some really good infiltration scenes, and the resurection of Megatron, who somehow manages to jump to mars in under 20 seconds, though we are granted a cool exchange with starscream, who now has a character, guess they had to take the moments from the autobots. nice to hear megatron is a lot easier to understand, his voice is noticably softer and hardly filtered. And hmmm the fallen is just there... in a chair. why i dont know.
Back in college we have pretender tech, very good sequence that's not only funny but quite badass, the good mix we've come to expect. and suddenly they've been caught by blackout and being interiogated by megs and the surgeon, as the symbols are a map to the location for the Matrix of Leadership!!!! which powers a sun destroying,energon building machine. pretty cool stuff. and prime an bb come for the save, with prime leading them to the forrest, cons chasing them. Epic fight scene, prime has been training it seems, he got an asskicking from megs last time but now whoops him, blackout AND starscream, Hell blackouts dead within 5 minutes, (prime does like his headshots) and then finally Oh jive primes dead!!!! yep, megs full on stabs him through the chest before the bots turn up to get sam outta there
The Decepticons are now on full on attack mode crashing into stuff etc and making demands.we now have sam, fox, college dude bb and the twins hiding out in some field, good character moments, whilst ironhide and the others (hey jolt stands around and ratchet even gets a line!!!) Sam, finds simmons after it turns out his running a conspiricy website and has seen the symbols before. que cameo from Frenzy! after seeing evidence of transformers being hidden on earth for years Fox manages to charm Wheelie into explaining that the text is old cybertronian that only the hidden bots could find and leads them to an airplane museum, que some more hillarious moments with simmons and Leo, and the awakening of Jetfire, who is a grumpy ol bastard "my father was a wheel! the first one, what did he transform into? Nothing! but he did it with honour.... yeah we were shouting this on the way home, its our new "for sparta" and now where in egypt and looking for the matrix due to a warp gate.... and in search of the matrix which could resurect prime, as only a prime can kill the fallen.... i dont know why. Our solider boys get a call from simmons about the quest and decide to disobey orders and go to egypt to give the resurection a chance, which is all overheard by soundwave. This is done well i thought and some really good moments with the annoying suit guy and an egyptian midget... after finding the location due to the twins fighitng we find the matrix is just dust, but hey there gonan try anyway. Starscream finds them on route and tries take them out whilst the rest of the cons and bots show up.
Onto the desert battle.... honestly just leave the cinema here, its carnage in C-Minor bad
So sams running, running running, random grunts are hanging around, Primes under a sheet, and devastator is erm, walking veeeeeery slowly + getting his ass kicked by the twins. who whilst i love shouldnt be doing this.. Remember in the first film when megs turns up, and ratchet kinda jives himself and you know jazz getting owned, made megs look intimadating, now here we get... nothing, seriously he does nothing but gets his ass kicked. im suprised wheelie dosent take him down with sams mum. It also seems that demolisher and sideways are back from the dead... how i dont know. and not only are there two rampages about in bot mode, there is double constructicons as you have the limbs fighting in the city in the same moment devastator walks about. Devastator manages to erm, knock the top off the pyramid before getting killed with 1 hugING SHOT from a human weapon, thats right, after getting his ass kicked by the twins and breaking a building he gets killed like Brawn from 85. BB is going GOW on ravage and rampage, scorpanock turns up to kill jetfire and get killed himself, i ..... have no f'n clue as to why. Sam gets blown up leading to some of the worst slowmo stuff ever, seriously people were laughing AT the film, and not in a good way, followed by a vision where he gets the matrix. Primes back to life and Jetfire decides to kill himself so Prime can fly, ohhh and look Jolt gets a name check and erm mods prime whilst the cheif medical officer... kinds stands around pointlessly. Prim now not only takes on the fallen and megs at the same time but manage to cut megs arm off, blow half his face off and go all Mortal Kombat on the fallen by ripping his face off and punching through his chest.....
que some slowmo's to show that everyones ok (apart from jetfire and two o the arcee drones no autobots were harmed.... at all. no wait ironhide got some chest damage......) now a speech by prime and we are a wrap.... dear god this last bit was awful
The Good.
The human characters had by far some of the best gags in the film, Leo was great.
The twins, ok so they were a very racist stereotype, but by god they were funny as hell, same with wheelie, lil dude just stole scenes.
The comedy in general in the film was top notch
Starscream getting more characterisation
The BAD
Jetfire, Devastator and the Fallen. Jetfire's death was pointless and just lame in general, and Devastator and the Fallen not only did nothing but had no precense
Megs getting his balls cut off
Random peeps coming back from the dead and being in two places at once
the third act in general, god good just leave the cinema
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Random peeps coming back from the dead and being in two places at once
Its Grindor not Blackout apparently and presumably Demolishor and Sideways didn't die when you thought they did. Plus there are multiple Constructicon drones.
I was confused too. I am sure multiple viewings and in depth discussions between everyone will determine the continuity errors and the misunderstandings.
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 21 2009, 02:56 PM)
I was confused too. I am sure multiple viewings and in depth discussions between everyone will determine the continuity errors and the misunderstandings.
Or we could simply recite the MST3K mantra and be done with it, really.
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 21 2009, 11:56 AM)
I am sure multiple viewings and in depth discussions between everyone will determine the continuity errors and the misunderstandings.
Yup. Just like "Where'd Barricade go?" and "How come Bumblebee can talk all of a sudden?" and "How come Bumblebee's legs didn't regenerate when he touched the Allspark?" and "What the hell happened in that action sequence? You know, that one, the one right before that other one?"
It'll all be clear once you see the movie a second time, I'm sure of it.
I've written a review for Toon Zone (yes, the same site that wrote the G1 review currently being discussed). Hopefully it'll be up before Wednesday.
QUOTE(HellCat @ Jun 21 2009, 12:16 AM)
I've been talking to a US friend who wanted to know what I thought. Maybe we're wrong, but we're both convinced that the sheer volume of risque and immature moments (dry humping, drug use, swearing, etc) is going to bite the film in the butt, especially with parents. I think this time round they just went overboard and everyone was so drunk on the success of the last one they didn't care. Hasbro say they talk the public opinion of Transformers seriously...somhow I'm worried this movie will damage it for at least the next few years.
Flippin' heck, you are indeed right.
I've just seen the film just over an hour ago, and the "references" and risqueness were a lot more than I'd expect from a 12A film. There was a fuss in the media last year about The Dark Knight being under-rated by the BBFC, but this was worse. Really, I have no idea why this wasn't classified 15. Wasn't nice to see so many kids, toddlers and babies, inside the cinema theatre – actually, it was quite appalling, really. Yes, admittedly this is more a criticism of how toothless the certification system for feature films has become.
Anyway, will write a more detailed write-up in a bit. I'll have to say, the biggest criticism I have is the same as the first film, that is, the character designs. I had difficulty telling many of the Transformers apart. My girlfriend, who isn't a fan and only knows the basics about the characters (Bumblebee is the yellow one, Optimus Prime is red and blue, etc) had even more difficulty following what was going on. That's not really good.
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 21 2009, 02:56 PM)
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Random peeps coming back from the dead and being in two places at once
Its Grindor not Blackout apparently and presumably Demolishor and Sideways didn't die when you thought they did. Plus there are multiple Constructicon drones.
I was confused too. I am sure multiple viewings and in depth discussions between everyone will determine the continuity errors and the misunderstandings.
but without explenation how is an audience member supposed to know ? tbh i dont get why they just didnt have devastator combining after the looking for sam in the building bit, would of made more sense and paced it better as when he combines he just dosent DO anything. i would of liked Mudflap to peg it aswell, because atleast with him and skids yah kinda care about them a bit
QUOTE(Firebert @ Jun 21 2009, 01:00 PM)
QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Jun 21 2009, 02:56 PM)
I was confused too. I am sure multiple viewings and in depth discussions between everyone will determine the continuity errors and the misunderstandings.
Or we could simply recite the MST3K mantra and be done with it, really.
Look alive, everybo - oh, sorry Blackout.
OK, so a few thoughts. Rather random and muddled, but it's late here.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
Skids and Mudflap were a complete waste of space. Officially the Jar-Jar Binkses of Transformers multiverse. If not worse, in terms of racial stereotyping and plain worthless characters. I can't see why there were needed – for the 'small Autobot who protects human main characters' archetype we've already got Bumblebee, who was generally under-used, and Wheelie.
Speaking of under-used characters, most of the Decepticons again were little more than Vehicon drones in all but name. But! Starscream gets plenty more lines this time round, and is more Starscream-y. I liked the Starscream-Megatron interplay, too, longtime fans will appreciate that.
Soundwave doesn't do much, but then Soundwaves are generally boring characters in nearly all official Transformers fiction anyway.
I can't see the point of The Fallen. He does nothing that Megatron couldn't do; just another Grand Evil Badguy, whose motivations for revenge and Energon aren't any differnt to Megatron's. Really, they should've delayed Megatron's resurrection for the third film and used The Fallen as the main antagonist, or keep Megatron and leave The Fallen out completely, or merely feature the Fallen in a flashback to set up the backstory, or something like that.
Jetfire was quite a crowd-pleaser. He seemed to get quite a strong audience response in the cinema I went to, and was quite an entertaining character, all considering. Shame he had to get bumped off though, which I wasn't expecting.
Matrix of Leadership? That took me rather by surprise.
I don't think we've ever had such an uncompromising, merciless pure warrior Optimus Prime.
HIGHLIGHT to view:
Skids and Mudflap were a complete waste of space. Officially the Jar-Jar Binkses of Transformers multiverse. If not worse, in terms of racial stereotyping and plain worthless characters. I can't see why there were needed – for the 'small Autobot who protects human main characters' archetype we've already got Bumblebee, who was generally under-used, and Wheelie.
Speaking of under-used characters, most of the Decepticons again were little more than Vehicon drones in all but name. But! Starscream gets plenty more lines this time round, and is more Starscream-y. I liked the Starscream-Megatron interplay, too, longtime fans will appreciate that.
Soundwave doesn't do much, but then Soundwaves are generally boring characters in nearly all official Transformers fiction anyway.
I can't see the point of The Fallen. He does nothing that Megatron couldn't do; just another Grand Evil Badguy, whose motivations for revenge and Energon aren't any differnt to Megatron's. Really, they should've delayed Megatron's resurrection for the third film and used The Fallen as the main antagonist, or keep Megatron and leave The Fallen out completely, or merely feature the Fallen in a flashback to set up the backstory, or something like that.
Jetfire was quite a crowd-pleaser. He seemed to get quite a strong audience response in the cinema I went to, and was quite an entertaining character, all considering. Shame he had to get bumped off though, which I wasn't expecting.
Matrix of Leadership? That took me rather by surprise.
I don't think we've ever had such an uncompromising, merciless pure warrior Optimus Prime.
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