Ironbite-so....thoughts on the video?

Cool. I think it would get old having to protect little sisters all the time though.
I just have trouble thinking what they can do in a sequel to this that's different apart from new plasmids.

Do you get to be a baby-eating Mother Teresa this time through, or is it still a choice between extremists?

That was damn sexy.

I was kind of afraid that the Big Sister would move like you did When you donned the Big brother's outfit in the first game. Its nice to see that she's pretty fluid.

You harvest them or protect them so they can extract adam from corpses and give it to you.

Also the plasmids have been expanded in the sense that its not just a quick flick of something, like the fire one for example, at level 3 its one giant stream of fire.

This is all in the latest game informer, they have a huge explanation of the game and it looks fantastic.

*Falls on the floor, drooling uncontrollably*

Oh yeah! That's what I'm talking about!
I heard the rumor you'd be playing as a Big Daddy, nice to see that's true. And the great thing about Rapture is the city's so massive, we can get brand new areas no problem. I take it Bioshock 2 operates on the premise that in Bioshock 1 you took the "Good Guy" ending.

I wonder how much of the original systems (need for coin, parts and the invent-o-matic) have been kept in this one. I honestly don't think a big sister has much need for automatic hacking tool, or weapon mods.

Woah, that's awesome. Now I can finally stab people with my drill!

:drools:

:changes pants:

:drools some more:

Inb4 "that pierce the heavens " etc.

Also, this looks awesome. Now I just want it on wii... eh, PC would be ok, but I totally see flicking nunchuck to use plasmids and such.

Would be so badass... *sigh* I'm guessing no Wii though. PC it is I guess.

The cool thing is that you can combine powers, like you can lay down the cyclone trap then blast it with fire to make a fire tornado.

And the game informer you can hack and fix your droid companions.

That's not really what I was asking...

I mean, at the end of the first game, there were two endings, one where you were a sadistic child-maiming monstrosity, the other wherin you were friend to all children and birds would alight on your fingertips and flowers blossomed where you walked.

I'm wondering if there's any way to play it down the middle and have it recognize that you didn't go either way, rather than have the game balanced on a razor edge.

Looks grat. I'd love to play these games, but I blow chunks at FPSs. I enjoyed the hell out of th efirst hour of BS1 untill the first helicopter drones showed up and managed to gun me down by staying behind me all the time regardless how much I turned around ( -___- )

I tend to suck badly at FPSs, had Bioshock set to easy and did very well.

Yeah, I like that I could play the first game for this reason: If you suck at FPS, it's probably because you can't aim, but Bioshock's plasmids can compensate for that.

I should really learn to update this thread more shouldn't I?

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/1424034...alk051209c.html

Ironbite-9 minute gameplay walkthrough.

So I figured out what the plot twist is. Massive spoilers here.

HIGHLIGHT to view:
You are not the first Big Daddy. You're Jack from the first game. After the Little Sisters killed Atlas, Tenenbaum used a command word to knock you out, then she put you in storage until the city needed you again. While you were asleep, she re-engineered your suit, your plasmid structure, and your memories. The ending you see at the end of the first game? It's narrated by Tenenbaum. Why? Because it's a fake memory, a dream she created for you to keep your mind happy while you slumber. Also, the Big Sister is being controlled by Andrew Ryan, who awoke in a vita-chamber after you left his office.

That's....stupid.

Ironbite-seriouslly.

The thing about that theory is, all the Viral Marketing for Bioshock 2 (For example) is operating under the premise that the Little Sisters were removed from Rapture.

I don't doubt Ryan will resurface is some form. The whole bit about the Vita-Chambers is too important to pass up. But as to whether or not he's controlling the Big Sister remains to be seen.

I think it'd be way scarier if the Big Sister was acting independently.

I don't see where you're getting that notion. BioShock 2 takes place a decade after the first game. Even if the good ending of the first game is what actually happened, Jack only took five Sisters with him. Five out of dozens. The rest were still in Rapture, under the protection of either Tenenbaum or Big Daddies, hunted by splicers. It's only logical that one might resort to extreme means to defend herself, including emulating her father figure, including kidnapping girls from the surface to make new Little Sisters to replace the dead and rescued ones.

The first game very heavily implies that Tenenbaum has motives she's not letting us in on. I can't imagine she'd stay in Rapture after the end of the game if she didn't. But what are they? Is she trying to set herself up as the new ruler of the city, Fontaine-style? Who knows? My idea could be 100% wrong.

Guess we'll find out in January.

Now I might be completely remembering this wrong, but I could have sworn the Good Ending of Bioshock implied Jack took all the Little Sisters with him - Tenenbaum releasing them into his care, as she cared for the Little Sisters like daughters and wanted them free of the horrors of Rapture.

I also could have sworn the known backstory behind the Big Sister was one of those that Jack rescued returned to Rapture of her own accord (The "Bad Egg" out of the bunch, if you will). But yeah, "It Came From The Sea" definitely implies that Big Sister has been active, rounding up new girls to make the newest batch of Little Sisters (Which makes sense, because in either ending - Jack's depleted the Little Sister population by either deprogramming the lot of them (With the aid of Tenenbaum) or Harvested them.



I don't think anyone who's played Bioshock would disagree that Tenenbaum has her own agenda. Everyone in Rapture does. But I don't see Tenenbaum turning into this game's Big Bad, either. Her Audio Diaries in the first game - and indeed, her entire motivations in said game - generally paint the portrait of a Hardcore Scientist with a streak of Morality. She was the one who uncovered ADAM and created the Little Sisters - but she's also the one who wanted desperately to undo her mistake with the Little Sister.

I always suspected Tenenbaum's reasons for remaining in Rapture were the help the Splicer population. She really was the one who opened Pandora's Box, and I got the feeling from her character that she was just as amoral as Ryan and Fontaine, but trying to atone for her sins. That doesn't make her pure as driven snow, though. She observed the same mutations in the Splicers we did. She probably also wanted to study what long term exposure to ADAM did to the Human Body.

Hell, she might even be keeping the Vita-Chamber rezzed Andrew Ryan captive for no other reason then maternal instincts gone crazy (She blamed her change of heart on those instincts, in one of her Audio Journals).


I don't see Tenenbaum being the game's Big Bad, though. For one, it'd reek of retread with Atlas (The person helping you in the one you have to ultimately stop). I suspect Tenenbaum will be one of the first casualties of the game, actually. The developers have already promised we'll get more interactions with more of Rapture's stable citizens, so she's not going to be absolutely essential from a storytelling point of view if more non-Splicers show up.




In the meantime, Speculation is fun!

http://www.somethinginthesea.com/home.html

also, you can view a good recap up to this point here
http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/There%27s_S...hing_in_the_Sea

A couple of new trailers went live last week.

Feb can't come soon enough...

I'm just digging everything about this game, the new splicer type, the new Big Daddy type(which, iirc, was originally supposed to be in BS1, but got dropped along w/ some other content), I'm really interested to see where the story goes(but somewhat afraid of a letdown, too), and I love the idea of having Plasmids and Weapons out side by side...

I also like the idea of guarding little sisters while they harvest, setting up traps, hacking(or dropping) turrets, etc. Having to make use of the environment to survive the splicer onslaughts is appealing.

I really need an Xbox 360 to go with my Wii for this game.

Ironbite-hot damn it looks good.

Now that new Story Trailer is interesting. That's not Tenanbaum talking. I wonder who the "Voice" to Big Sister's "Hand" is? If we didn't find her body in the game, I'd almost venture to guess it's Ryan's old girlfriend.

What gets me is the group think graffiti Rapture's now sporting. Especially "We are all Family". Looks like whoever this Voice is, she's taken Ryan's Pheromone Control to the next level.


I am also digging the unique (and undeniably Bioshock) flavor of Multiplayer. Capture the Flag...the flag being a little girl guarded by one pissed off guard dog.

Get it for PC. Mouse + keyboard > controller.

Don't have a powerful enough computer.

Ironbite-Jasmine's kinda dead dude.

Maybe he means Diane McClintock, though she's also dead, in Fontaine's apartment...

No he ment Jack's mother.

No, I meant Diane McClintock. And yeah, like I said: If she wasn't dead, she'd have been a candidate.

Course, she might still be. After all, the Dead Splicer we found in Fontaine's place had dark hair, while her Audio Log Portrait shows her to have Blonde hair. Doubt it, but that always struck me as odd.


Course, it strikes me as odd that people would just let dead and decaying bodies just lay all willy nilly around Rapture. Especially Jasmine, who seemed like she was killed prior to the troubles.

Yeah it's not her at all. Some other chick who was a political rival of Ryan's is the Voice controling the Big Sister.

Ironbite-oh Wiki's...I love you so.

Another example of the leave the dead bodies lying about would be Anna Culpepper, her body was left in the tub after she was "bumped", and apparently no one bothered about it after that...Or that whole family in one of the other aparments. I think the biggest pain is it's hard to nail down a time line on who was killed when, save that it all appears to have occured within about a year, maybe two...

We need, like, the Rapture Timeline and notable deaths...

And don't forget about the Smuggler in the bowels of Neptune's Bounty (Not the one strung up near the start, but the one you find in that locked room). He's been down there a loooooooooooooooong time.


And yeah, it is tough nailing down exactly how things went down. But it seems like once the Little Sisters and Big Daddies hit the streets, the whole place was on the express lane to hell. I mean, let's face it...the whole point of the Little Sisters was to loot the dead, so obviously they were introduced after Rapture's society had collapsed or just on the cusp of collapsing. Hence why people stopped picking up Dead Bodies despite the fact there was a location where they could be disposed of properly (Course, that was Steinmann's territory, and I can't really blame folks for steering clear).

Sofia Lamb?

Yes and she and her Rapture Family worship her daughter who got turned into a Little Sister.

Ironbite-who may or may not be the Big Sister.

She refers to BD as Delta. Does that mean there's BD Alpha, Beta, maybe Omega?

some interesting info
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/bio...eo/6238341?hd=1

Alpha and Beta might be dead however. Delta apperently is the first successful Big Daddy. At least according to the Wiki.

Ironbite-wonder why they took out the Big Daddy's ability to use plasmids though.

Wrong-O. The Little Sisters were originally created simply to produce ADAM. As the war raged on and after Suchong went to work for Ryan, he came up with the idea of programming the Sisters to go out and recycle ADAM from the dead. Nigh-indestructible as they were, Suchong still realized it would be foolish to send them out, wandering the streets alone. Thus he created the Big Daddies.

http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Producing_Adam
http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Protecting_Little_Ones

Easier to control. Makes em less Human, since the use of Plasmids requires some tactical and strategic thinking.


As for the Video: Big Sisters? Plural? Oh dear.

Yeah, there's more than one, although apparently there is still a central one that's more than a simple cannon fodder.