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TheDreadPirateHibiki
The original sketches:




The original mock:


Building the legs:


Brakedown:



Deadend:



Early Motormaster:


New mock:


Almost final build:


More updates soon.
shumworld
cool concept.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
So I finally found a place that sells styrene in my area. I bought two small sheets of 1mm, some rods and some white putty. A lot of my measurements are off, but it will do for a first attempt. I am going to continue building this piece as a tutorial for myself on working with styrene and then I will go back and take acurate measurements and begin the process again. Here is the start of the chest piece.


and then off of the body


and next to the original.


So far, the only down time is the waiting for the white putty to set. This is a relatively easy and forgiving material to work with. I will keep everyone posted.

I am still working to incorporate the original stunticons heads with the Noh masks. I will post sketches once they are done.

Also, this is going to be my first time casting. I plan to sculpt the heads at double-three times intended size, cast them, hydroshrink them and then cast them again.

I will be going tomorrow to pick up a mat cutter and some of the styrene bars I saw. I am also going to look for something that works quicker than white putty.
Maximo Prime
hydroshrink. that some kind of hydro span reverse process?
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Pretty much. You use a water mix when you cast the part and the water evaporates shrinking the piece. There is also Reducit and Reducit II.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Ok. So white putty is crap. It held fast through the night, but just touching the pieces today caused them to crumble. I bought some testor's styrene instant bond substance today. Hopefully it works better.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
So the new instant bond adhesive stuff is great. Sets in a few seconds and is ready to be sanded in a matter of minutes. Holds very strong as well. I started working on the nose area of the chest piece. I'm not sure if I like the shap of the face. It reminds me of something, but I can't think what.



Doesn't look demonic enough for me...Maybe the eyebrows and sunken eyes will change that.
Autobot Bubbs
so.... he's not unlike a gunmen.

It shall be interesting to see how it'll work out.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
icon-depth.gif Like the lone gunmen? Can he be Langly?
chiasaur11
QUOTE(DanHibiki @ Sep 16 2008, 11:36 AM) *
icon-depth.gif Like the lone gunmen? Can he be Langly?

Think... Bigger. And Punchier. With more hot blooded.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Like a blind dog, I'm not following...
frenzy_rumble
what is this "instant-bond" you speak of? is it thin as water and bonds the styrene?
I usually been using zap-a-gap, good stuff, and the flow control nozzle makes adhesion clean and precise.

You should look into some Superglue's Plastic Fusion, it comes in a duel apoxy applicator, best stuff I've used to date, stronger than JB weld. This stuff actually bonds to the plastic and it's thick it gets messy, but is easy to carve into and sand.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
The instant bond is Testor's Plastic something-something. It has a needle like tip that leaves perfect beads. It actually melts the styrene slightly and leaves really smooth joints. I will look at the bottle when I get home and let you know.

As for epoxy, I usually use Devcon Plastic Welder. It bonds like magic, but sands easy enough. I'll have to post some of the "completed" projects I've used it on.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Model Masters Liquid Cement for Plastic Models. It'll get you drunk!
Wingus
Gunmen are the robots from Gurren Lagann, and most have the design of a head with arms and legs. Some have a second head on top, which kind of resembles what you've got going here.



I like the demon mask concept, but I'm not sure about it being applied to the Stunticons. However, I suppose all I can do is wait and see how it turns out. icon-hotrod.gif
frenzy_rumble
You need to try the plastic fusion, I found it held up a lot better than devcon's apoxy, and it's white.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
The design is actually one I have wanted to do for a while. I have this vision of panels opening exposing the innner demon face and just blasting the jive out of everything in front of the mouth. It is based on Bishamon, the werewolf from Vampire Hunter D and other demons I have seen. The masks should work out perfectly icon-hotrod.gif Each mask fits the personality of the Stunticons pretty well.

F_R: I'll definitely give the plastic fusion a shot when it comes time to bond the styrene to the already cast bits.

And just for everybody, I'll make some sunglasses for Menasor once he is done. And maybe give him a drill.

I got the rough of the eyebrows done tonight. I'll post updates once the cheeks are in place.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Making some progress. I leveled up in styrene engineering.


And size comparison.


I hope to have the legs and feet done by the end of this month.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Still sketching out ideas...Nothing new
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Making some progress. I'm hoping the holidays are going to be uneventful and I can actually work on this.
Wingus
Yay, progress!
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Both legs.


Now I need to go pick up another Unicron. I need more of the torso than I originally thought. Also, I really need the Maximus giftsets to come out already.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Work in progress on Breakdown. Flattened the hood. Removed the rear window louvres. Removed the dueling phallic symbols on the fenders. Need to replace the forearms and resculpt the chest. Should be ready for New Years.




Toph Bei Fong
I can honestly say that I cannot wait to see the finished product. It's coming out beautifully, Hibiki.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Breakdown fixed up and ready for paint.




Now on to Wildrider from Hot Shot.
shumworld
just wondering.. can the downshift and hotshot bash can still powerlink?
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Shhhh...You're giving away my secrets. Yes all limbs will still powerlink.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Got a little more work done. Have to work the arms over again. Although, the popeye forearms may work once I get the shoulders how they need to be. Also, I am going to be including some mechanical latissimus dorsi to make his upper body a little beefier.


And just because I think robots with rice hats are funny.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Attempting to make Motor Master more proportional. New Head. Sculpting the neck. Blah blah blah.


More to come. Sometime.
shumworld
the uni-head looks way too large for a gestalt's body imo.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Started a lot of the sculpting. No shots of the individuals, but majority of engineering is done. Maybe I'll take some shots with a real camera this weekend...nothing major, just something whet the appetite
Rosicrucian
Get some green stuff epoxy putty. You'll thank yourself in the end.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Some sculpting updates on Dead End


TheDreadPirateHibiki
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Not too much in the way of the progress. Just making the Omega Supreme halves "symmetrical".



Better pictures later...
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Cast. Cut. Reverse. Both halves now have the ummm...lateral transformation hinge...Yeah. that's the name for it.



TheDreadPirateHibiki
Updated the first post with a quasi-follow-along
Shenanigans
So is the OS body gonna become Motormaster's trailer or something?
TheDreadPirateHibiki
That is a definite possibility.

Progress?


Gonna work on the proportions a little more this weekend and hopefully start the sculpting and shaping.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
A little update.

Added the swivel joints to the thighs and finished the feet. Now I just have to figure out a way to mount the connectors on the bots without being too "obvious"







I think the swivel joints added just enough length to the legs, now I just need to widen them up.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
He's fishing...
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Last chance for comments before he goes under the knife...
Kalimol
Just looking forward to the finished product. This is really shaping up to rival ... that one guy.
TheDreadPirateHibiki
"Trailer" needs more work...


Standing with the base of the new torso, have yet to start the sculpting on the face



I can't wait to see the finished product either icon-hotrod.gif Who's that one guy?
Kalimol
You know, that one guy. Who does the combiners.

I'm really digging this, and the idea of adding the trailer, which effectively doubles the mass of the combined robot, makes it extremely impressive-looking in the combined form - seeing the utterly dwarfed car parts hanging off the little guys. I wouldn't shy away from more or less putting a styrene box around the trailer in trailer mode, either, or at least something to fill in the space underneath the torso and wrap around the feet. You could get a convincing trailer that doesn't look like it's made of body parts and turn it into a variation on the original Menasor's "hood" in the combined form.

Very cool, in all, wherever you take it. I really want to bash a combiner of my own ....
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Don't worry. I won't stop with the trailer until it looks like a trailer. icon-hotrod.gif
Kalimol
Cool. Looking forward to it! Also, you make much better use of E Prime's arms than E Prime does. Have you considered altering the cabin much, to remove the gut?
TheDreadPirateHibiki
Sketcha sketcha sketcha

Need to figure out how to work the nose and crest for the chest...
SoS
That is starting to look pretty sweet. Keep 'em coming.


--SoS
Kalimol
Sweet. I like the new, techier version of the face on the chest. Should be quite disturbing.
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