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Alpha Omega Trion Supreme
I searched and searched but it looks like the old Godzilla thread fell off the edge of the earth. And so....


Kiryu and his minions declare the Godzilla thread be reborn!

Anyway, I wanted to find a way to post this news for the kaiju fans on the board. The Classic Media versions of Rodan and War of the Gargantuas are due in stores September 9th! This is a two pack featuring both movies with both the Japanese and English versions on there like all other CM Godzilla dvds. Classic Media is the outfit that did that excellent Godzilla dvd set that was released not that long ago and did a really good job on the picture quality and features. Unfortunately it looks like Rodan and WotG movies aren't getting the full treatment of extras the G-man dvds got, but with two versions of each movie on each disc, I will NOT complain. Especially since my WotG vhs tape is shot. icon-fire.gif However they are packing in a new Godzilla documentary that sounds pretty interesting(they had to get the G-man in there somehow to move units I'd bet icon-arcee.gif )

Details here: http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2008/07...-and-dvd-specs/

One place to order it that says they're shipping by September 4th is
http://www.godzillaondvdstore.com/merchant2/, but I believe Amazon's carrying it too.
DrSpengler
I'm still working on my Toho/Daiei review site. Reviewed just about everything Toho up through Atragon so far (missing only a couple lesser movies here and there, such as Gorath and the US version of Varan). Gonna wait until I've done a few more before starting the site.

Been a lot of fun rewatching these flicks. Looking forward to the rereleases of Rodan and War of the Gargantuas so they can replace my old bootlegs.

I think the only Toho Universe movies I don't have are The Battle in Outer Space, Dogora, Gorath, Yog--Monster from Space, The War in Space and the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy.
S-Stop! Thief!
I recently watched Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II.

"Mechagodzilla, Take Off!"

Oh, how I giggled.
Ironbite
You heard "Mechagodzilla take it off!" didn't you?

Ironbite-cause I did.
Dvandom
Heh. Makes me think of the Mecha-Godzilla K-girls. icon-hotrod.gif

---Dave
Shinki
QUOTE(Ironbite @ Aug 15 2008, 10:37 PM) *
You heard "Mechagodzilla take it off!" didn't you?

Ironbite-cause I did.

At least it's not as bad as GxMG. In the Japanese dialogue, righter after Godzilla leaves, but before Kiryu goes nuts, it sounds almost like someone says "Gojira suck a cock?"


Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla II's dub is just fantastically bad. From calling Rodan by his Japanese name "Radon", to the commander's "What? Godzilla's attacking the CITY!"

Of course, it slightly evens since we don't have to deal with the engrish of the MG pilots (though it's nowhere near as unintelligible as in Biollante), and Asimov sounds better as well.


"The time has come! Finally, to put our technology to the final test!"


EDIT: Oh, and I don't know if this made it in the last thread, but here's Godzilla's cameo in Always 2 from last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP6Wi0F5JGY
Alpha Omega Trion Supreme
I've never seen that before. That was too cool! What kind of movie was Always 2 anyway? Is it something I should see?
Shinki
It's basically a movie about 1950's Japan. The director was a Godzilla fan, and since the films are distributed by Toho, they let him put in a little Godzilla cameo.
Patchouli Knowledge
Wow, that clip was pretty cool... that CGI Godzilla is what the American version should've looked like.
DrSpengler
QUOTE(Roadgrabber @ Aug 16 2008, 12:11 AM) *
EDIT: Oh, and I don't know if this made it in the last thread, but here's Godzilla's cameo in Always 2 from last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP6Wi0F5JGY


Nice. That actually makes me wanna see a retro-50s Godzilla movie done with today's cinematic style. And CG-Godzilla looked pretty sweet, too.
Incisivis
I'm just hearing "Rodan", and it's all good. icon-fire.gif
gwynn
When I was really little I saw a Gamera movie where he foughts many many different monsters, one was maybe a squid.
I'm not sure but it could have been some kind of marathon, but maybe not, my memory is very bad.
If only I knew what it was, I bought a Gamera movie a few years back and it was dreck, it had a bunch of flying dinosaurs in it.
S-Stop! Thief!
Uh, in Mechagodzilla 2, why did Rodan change colours and get stronger?
Dvandom
Gwynn: the only single movie in which Gamera fought a bunch of different monsters, including a squid (Viras), would be "Gamera, Super Monster". GSM is basically a clip show, and even includes Gamera superimposed on footage from Space Battleship Yamato and Galaxy Express 999. icon-hotrod.gif You can get it on Amazon, IIRC, as part of an Elvira-mocks-movies two-disc set.

---Dave
DrSpengler
QUOTE(Dvandom @ Aug 16 2008, 06:25 PM) *
Gwynn: the only single movie in which Gamera fought a bunch of different monsters, including a squid (Viras), would be "Gamera, Super Monster". GSM is basically a clip show, and even includes Gamera superimposed on footage from Space Battleship Yamato and Galaxy Express 999. icon-hotrod.gif You can get it on Amazon, IIRC, as part of an Elvira-mocks-movies two-disc set.

---Dave


That's the only Showa Era Gamera flick I don't have in my collection. Got all the others on DVD for, like, $2 bucks a pieces (most of the Showa Gamera series is public domain, apparantly). Gamera vs. Monster X and Return of the Giant Monsters cost me a little more, though.
Shinki
QUOTE(( =゚ ヮ゚=)ne @ Aug 16 2008, 06:17 PM) *
Uh, in Mechagodzilla 2, why did Rodan change colours and get stronger?

The song the psychic children sang powered him up, since they based it on the thought patterns of the plant that was growing on his and Baby Godzilla's eggs.


Yeah, you heard me.



QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Aug 16 2008, 06:57 PM) *
QUOTE(Dvandom @ Aug 16 2008, 06:25 PM) *
Gwynn: the only single movie in which Gamera fought a bunch of different monsters, including a squid (Viras), would be "Gamera, Super Monster". GSM is basically a clip show, and even includes Gamera superimposed on footage from Space Battleship Yamato and Galaxy Express 999. icon-hotrod.gif You can get it on Amazon, IIRC, as part of an Elvira-mocks-movies two-disc set.

---Dave


That's the only Showa Era Gamera flick I don't have in my collection. Got all the others on DVD for, like, $2 bucks a pieces (most of the Showa Gamera series is public domain, apparantly). Gamera vs. Monster X and Return of the Giant Monsters cost me a little more, though.

I really regret passing up those R2 Gamera DVDs a few years back. They even had english subs, like Toho's Laserdiscs had. When they re-released the Showa Gamera movies, they didn't have subs. never really bothered with the American releases, as they were all generally crap picture quality.
Starsteam
Darn, I missed this topic.


I love Godzilla. I can't get enough of him.... GIMME YOUR KIRYU!!


Any news about Gamera: The Brave on US DVD?


So, Rodan/Gargantuas DVD kinda like Gojira DVD? Guess i have to buy this, it's not in the Collection box, which I'm still trying to get. Is the 2 discs Gojira in it? I already have it and there needs to be a single disc to match the other DVDs.


Man, on on my last issue of G-fan. Gotta subscribe soon. So much to do.

Eh, I just wanted to say everything that I wished to say about Godzilla. I wanted to reborn the topic, but I was scared.
Master Fwiffo
I love Rodan. I'm rewatching it at the moment. It's my favorite giant monster film that doesn't feature the Big G - it was also the first toho movie I ever watched. It scared the crap outta me when I was little. I'm really curious to see how the japanese version differs from the dub I grew up on.

I really love the whole horror-in-the-mines red herring it starts on, before turning into a movie about giant Deathdactyles. Great film, great effects too. I love it.

Did they release the original Mothra by any chance? That's a film I'd love to add to my DVD collection.
Shinki
QUOTE(Spongezilla™ @ Aug 16 2008, 08:25 PM) *
Darn, I missed this topic.


I love Godzilla. I can't get enough of him.... GIMME YOUR KIRYU!!


Any news about Gamera: The Brave on US DVD?

None yet, though I wouldn't expect it anytime soon. It didn't do too well, and it's not really all that popular.

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So, Rodan/Gargantuas DVD kinda like Gojira DVD? Guess i have to buy this, it's not in the Collection box, which I'm still trying to get. Is the 2 discs Gojira in it? I already have it and there needs to be a single disc to match the other DVDs.

Yes.

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Aug 16 2008, 08:40 PM) *
Did they release the original Mothra by any chance? That's a film I'd love to add to my DVD collection.

Not yet. I'm not sure if there are any plans to.


Yeah, Rodan was pretty damn good. What was really great was going into it only knowing it was Rodan's first movie. That was it. So the Meganulons, and the fact that there were TWO Rodans was an awesome surprise. During one of the earlier Meganulon attack, I had assumed that it was supposed to be Rodan's claw reaching for people. When that first shot of it coming into the living room happened, I was floored.
Master Fwiffo
I've got a bootleg of Gamera: The Brave that isn't bad. The film was kinda fun, but nowhere near the awesome of the Hesei Gamera films.
BleedWell
I still want to see the 84 godzilla film. I've watched a lot of them. Im just missing a few here and there.
Shinki
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Aug 16 2008, 08:42 PM) *
I've got a bootleg of Gamera: The Brave that isn't bad. The film was kinda fun, but nowhere near the awesome of the Hesei Gamera films.



I never got around to fully watching it. I downloaded an unsubbed copy a year and a half ago, but never got around to fully watching it. I skipped ahead just too see how cool Zedus was. He looked great, and once again, Daiei does show the advantage of taking time and not using sub par effects footage. But I could never sit down and watch the whole film. It just didn't grab me like Mothra 3, Godzilla Vs. Megaguirus, and Godzilla Final Wars did. I watched those MANY times unsubbed (with terrible picture quality to boot).

Though the fact that I am not a Gamera fan doesn't help. Unlike Godzilla, which I got into when I was five, Gamera was something I only ever came into when I was fourteen.


Dvandom
One of the Amazon resellers had Gamera: the Brave last year, I got it from them. Subtitled, either a very high quality bootleg or an okay quality official release.

---Dave
Shinki
It took until the HD generation, but Toho is finally going to restore the picture quality of all 28 Godzilla films.
http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2008/08...la-x-hi-vision/

On the one hand, maybe they'll finally get a decently colored King Kong Vs. Godzilla. On the other hand, wires galore.


QUOTE(Dvandom @ Aug 16 2008, 09:58 PM) *
One of the Amazon resellers had Gamera: the Brave last year, I got it from them. Subtitled, either a very high quality bootleg or an okay quality official release.

---Dave

Definite bootleg.
Alpha Omega Trion Supreme
QUOTE(Roadgrabber @ Aug 16 2008, 10:02 PM) *
It took until the HD generation, but Toho is finally going to restore the picture quality of all 28 Godzilla films.
http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2008/08...la-x-hi-vision/

On the one hand, maybe they'll finally get a decently colored King Kong Vs. Godzilla. On the other hand, wires galore.

Yeah, I'm kind of mixed on the news too. Between the Sony and CM releases the quality of the G movies that have come out over the last few years have been VERY good. I was surprised at how good GvSmog Monster looked upscaled on my ps3. More definition might just show us some things in the fx we don't really want to see. Plus I'm not anxious to buy these movies all over again.

While on that topic, I have a 2002 dvd of Rodan that oddly enough says Classic Media on the label. I hope the new release is a better transfer than what I have.

I'm in the process of obtaining G-84 and Biollante. Biollante is the only G film I've never seen as I didn't really get into the Heisei films until well after the fact.
Shinki
QUOTE(Alpha Omega Trion Supreme @ Aug 17 2008, 02:01 PM) *
While on that topic, I have a 2002 dvd of Rodan that oddly enough says Classic Media on the label. I hope the new release is a better transfer than what I have.

Yeah, back then Classic Media released that and a few Godzilla movies (all the ones that make the current Godzilla Collection) dub only and in pan and scan. Not that big a deal for Rodan and Godzilla King of the Monsters, as they were not widescreen in the first place, but the picture quality was pretty much average.

QUOTE
More definition might just show us some things in the fx we don't really want to see.

Hell, in some of the Showa DVDs alone, you can practically see the goggles the suit actors are wearing. I can only imagine what new stuff will become incredibly obvious.


In a somewhat related note, I did find it interesting watching some season two and three episodes of Power Rangers lately, and seeing the lips for Lord Zedd's suit actor. At least with that though, it makes sense that Zedd would have a mouth. Seeing a pair of eyes inside a monsters neck is another deal.
DrSpengler
QUOTE(Alpha Omega Trion Supreme @ Aug 17 2008, 02:01 PM) *
I'm in the process of obtaining G-84 and Biollante. Biollante is the only G film I've never seen as I didn't really get into the Heisei films until well after the fact.


I was a bit disappointed with Biollante when I finally got around to seeing it a couple years ago (had to spring for a bootleg from Video Daikaiju). The idea of Godzilla fighting a giant flower was unique, but that's all it really had going for it.

But then, I'm one of the crazy people who really hates the Heisei series. The only installments I genuinely enjoy are Godzilla (1984) and Godzilla vs. Destroyah. I could do without everything in-between.
Master Fwiffo
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Aug 17 2008, 06:42 PM) *
QUOTE(Alpha Omega Trion Supreme @ Aug 17 2008, 02:01 PM) *
I'm in the process of obtaining G-84 and Biollante. Biollante is the only G film I've never seen as I didn't really get into the Heisei films until well after the fact.


I was a bit disappointed with Biollante when I finally got around to seeing it a couple years ago (had to spring for a bootleg from Video Daikaiju). The idea of Godzilla fighting a giant flower was unique, but that's all it really had going for it.

But then, I'm one of the crazy people who really hates the Heisei series. The only installments I genuinely enjoy are Godzilla (1984) and Godzilla vs. Destroyah. I could do without everything in-between.




Weird.  I thought Biolante was way the hell better than any other offering of the Hesei series.  G84 was ok, but kinda dull, King Ghidorah had too much silliness, Mothra was kinda dull, Mechagodzilla was a disapointment, Space Godzilla was very silly, and Destroyah didn't deliver the way I hoped it would.


Starsteam
So will we ever get the Japanese version of KKvGodz and KKongEscapes?

I wish the 2005 DVD of KKvG had better picture. The picture on KKE was great. KKvG has no improvements....
Shinki
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Aug 17 2008, 09:42 PM) *
But then, I'm one of the crazy people who really hates the Heisei series. The only installments I genuinely enjoy are Godzilla (1984) and Godzilla vs. Destroyah. I could do without everything in-between.

Actually, you're part of the majority. The Heisei series was well liked back in the day, heck, a G-Fan poll rated Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla II as the best Godzilla movie ever back in 1997. However, the Gamera trilogy and the Millennium series created a massive backlash, in addition to the fandom filling up with younger members who like to suck the cocks of reviewers like Norman England by basing their opinions on everything they say to look more "refined".

Those same type of attitudes are what lead to just about every favorites list a few years back being topped with Godzilla '54 (even though half admitted they never saw it, just KOTM) and Godzilla Vs. The Thing, and favorite design being the original.

I overall still like the Heisei series, even if it is a bit weak. Biollante has a special place in my heart since it was the last movie I saw that I knew nothing about other than reading the back of the cover. King Ghidorah is a mess, but easily one of my favorites and most watched. Mothra is the weakest by far, though I still enjoy it from time to time. Mechagodzilla is fun, I can see why it was considered the best since it has some nice touches, but it's overall and average film at best. Space Godzilla had the advantage of being near universally hated, so I went in with low expectations, but had a good time. Perfect example of "beam wars", and the fight went on way too long, but still fun every so often. Destoroyah is flawed, but overall pretty good. It seemed to have a little more heart put into it, which makes sense since it was the last for a few years.


Of course, there's not Godzilla movie I really dislike. I may dislike aspects of some, but I still enjoy them far more than most movies.
DrSpengler
Well, if there's one thing I appreciate about the Heisei series, it's that its the only Godzilla series to have something of a story arc running throughout (most of) the films. Even if the arc doesn't always make a whole lot of sense (the time traveling in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah alone should have nullified the whole thing), at least they were trying.

My favorite era of Godzilla is the second half of the Showa series, from about Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster onward. That's the sillier half of the series, I know, but the movies just ooze "fun" more-so than a lot of the others. The only ones from that era I don't really like are Godzilla's Revenge, Godzilla vs. Megalon and The Terror of Mechagodzilla. Those last two weren't initially conceived as Godzilla movies, hence the overall lack of Big G, which is why I have a rough time trying to watch them.

I'm kinda backward on the Millenium series. Everyone hated Godzilla vs Megaguirus, but that one was one of my favorites. Likewise, I really did not enjoy the two Mechagodzilla films, and those are always revered as the best of the series. Giant Monsters All-Out Attack is still my #1 favorite of the Millenium series, even with all its flaws and kaiju mischaracterization.
Starsteam
I seen more Showa than Heisei and Millennium. I found most the movies good, even All Monsters Attack. Though most of it was stock footage, it was still enjoyable.

As for Gamera, seen about 90% of Showa, and none of everything else. I never seem to find any DVDs.

Has anyone order the Cloverfield figure yet? Don't they come out next month? Man, I would love to have one, even with it's bad quality.

RELEASE MOTHRA 3 ALREADY! Sci-Fi Channel doesn't show it enough...
DrSpengler
QUOTE(Spongezilla™ @ Aug 17 2008, 10:12 PM) *
As for Gamera, seen about 90% of Showa, and none of everything else. I never seem to find any DVDs.


You should really check out the Heisei Gamera trilogy. Fantastic stuff; puts the Heisei Godzilla series and most of the Millenium series to shame.

HIGHLIGHT to view:
Too bad it ended on a cliffhanger, though.
Dvandom
Gamera vs. Iris is the only Gamera movie I don't have on DVD. I really didn't like it, so haven't made any particular effort to track it down on disc. On the other hand, Gamera vs. Legion is one of the best kaiju flicks ever. It builds up the mystery in the first half very effectively, the humans have something useful to do beyond the Orichalum plot device, the suitimation looks good except in one scene (where Gamera's just too well-lit for his own good), and the finishing move requires a camera shot from ORBIT.

---Dave
Shinki
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Aug 17 2008, 10:54 PM) *
QUOTE(Spongezilla™ @ Aug 17 2008, 10:12 PM) *
As for Gamera, seen about 90% of Showa, and none of everything else. I never seem to find any DVDs.


You should really check out the Heisei Gamera trilogy. Fantastic stuff; puts the Heisei Godzilla series and most of the Millenium series to shame.

HIGHLIGHT to view:
Too bad it ended on a cliffhanger, though.

I never really saw it that way. Admittedly, I knew exactly what I was getting into, so being prepared that first time didn't leave the same sting that most people had when seeing it. It may not have wrapped things up in a traditional sense, but I don't really think anything needed (or should have) to be added.


Though the fact that I am not one of those who is under the impression that:
HIGHLIGHT to view:
The Gyaos wiped out all of humanity outside of Japan, and with Gamera badly wounded will easily finish the rest off.

Probably has something to do with it.



As an aside, I do find that funny that Godzilla's look varied a lot in each Showa movies, while his Heisei version was a lot more consistant, yet Gamera was the opposite. They really went overboard in G3 with giving him a "menacing" look.
Alpha Omega Trion Supreme
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Aug 17 2008, 09:42 PM) *
QUOTE(Alpha Omega Trion Supreme @ Aug 17 2008, 02:01 PM) *
I'm in the process of obtaining G-84 and Biollante. Biollante is the only G film I've never seen as I didn't really get into the Heisei films until well after the fact.


I was a bit disappointed with Biollante when I finally got around to seeing it a couple years ago (had to spring for a bootleg from Video Daikaiju). The idea of Godzilla fighting a giant flower was unique, but that's all it really had going for it.

But then, I'm one of the crazy people who really hates the Heisei series. The only installments I genuinely enjoy are Godzilla (1984) and Godzilla vs. Destroyah. I could do without everything in-between.

I don't hate the Heisei series, but it is my least favorite movie runs of Godzilla. I'm in the process of snagging a copy of 84 too. I haven't seen it since shortly after its movie run, and that was the Raymond Burr-inized U.S. version. I've read that 84 and Biollante are the best of the Heisei series, and I have very limited to no exposure to either, just the nonsense that occured afterwards with the time paradoxes, psychic chicks, cheap Mothra fx, and cutesy baby dorats and dinosaurs.

Anyone ever seen Might Peking Man? I need to track down a copy of it. Sounds like King Kong on a shoestring budget and very unintentionally silly. Wiki link here.
DrSpengler
I sat down and watched "Godzilla vs. Megaguirus" today so I could write my review. I have about 13 reviews saved up so far, but I'm gonna wait until I hit 20 before making the site.

Anyhow, I am ashamed for ever having liked this movie. I honestly can't say why I ever thought it was even remotely good. I'm definately going to have to rethink my opinions on a lot of the Millenium series, as I've only seen most of those movies just once or twice.

But yikes, that was terrible.

Anyhow, here's my review:

QUOTE
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Featured Kaiju:

Godzilla, Meganulon/Meganula/Megaguirus

Items of Note:

*The Meganulons last appeared in “Rodan”.

*All films in the Milleunium series are isolated from one another. As such, they are allowed to cherry-pick whichever previous Godzilla films they wish to include in their continuity. This film features references to “Godzilla (1954)”.

Review:

When I first watched “Godzilla vs. Megaguirus”, I actually enjoyed it. Watching it again for the first time since, I have to wonder what the Hell I was on.

“Godzilla vs. Megaguirus” seemed to be universally panned by most Godzilla enthusiasts, and yet when I first watched it, I thought they were all crazy and incapable of appreciating its finer points. I must have been half-asleep, half-drunk, half-stoned, half-dead or half-something in order to think that. As I found out this afternoon, my previous affections toward the movie were completely misplaced: “Godzilla vs. Megaguirus” is just as bad as everyone says it is.

After Godzilla’s (Tsutomu Kitagawa) initial raid in 1954, the people of Japan were left stumped as to what the Big G was so pissed off about. In 1966, after his second attack, the answer dawned on them: nuclear power. As a result, Japan outlawed all nuclear energy and instead chose to focus on the creation of clean energy, eventually leading to the creation of plasma energy.

Then in 1996, Godzilla attacked and ruined that, too.

Frustrated, the Japanese government created the G-Graspers: a poorly-named special ops team determined to destroy Godzilla once and for all. Major Kiriko Tsujimori (Misato Tanaka), a no-nonsense soldier with a vendetta against Godzilla, recruits the help of Hajime Kudo (Shosuke Tanihara), a youthful scientist who specializes in miniaturization. Their plan is to create a machine called Dimension Tide, which can create miniature black holes capable of destroying even Godzilla. Unfortunately, during their initial test, they fail to notice a gigantic dragonfly escape through a wormhole (a rip in time and space). The monster promptly lays an egg before returning to the past, thus leading to swarms of giant prehistoric bugs called Meganulons. Those evolve into Meganulas which eventually lead to the birth of the colossal Megaguirus. As Godzilla and Megaguirus battle one another, the G-Graspers battle various technical difficulties keeping the Dimension Tide from operating properly.

Oh the suspense.

“Godzilla vs. Megaguirus” is a film bogged down by a number of problems in everything from the story to the special effects. Outside of perhaps wardrobe, you’d be hard-pressed to find a department that didn’t screw something up. But even that has its problems, what with some characters being dressed like 1987 never ended (check out the dude with the walkman that gets eaten by a Meganulon while waiting for his girlfriend to get him a beer).

From my point of view, the primary problem lies in the vision of Director Masaaki Tezuka. It’s pretty clear that he wanted to make a cartoon, but decided to settle on a Godzilla film instead. The entire movie is littered with the worst elements of Japanese animation you can imagine, all of which he attempts to realize in a live action environment. And let me put it to you straight: that just doesn’t work.

If you don’t believe me, look no further than the showdown between Godzilla and Megaguirus. Megaguirus displays various heavily animated moves which attempt to make him appear “blurry with speed”. However, when he’s a puppet that’s being dangled on a string, no amount of digital smudging is going to make him look like he’s moving at super-speed. The worst offense I noticed had to be at about the halfway point of the fight. The camera remains at a static long distance shot as Godzilla and Megaguirus stare one-another down. The two then charge and clash in midair, complete with a “ching!” sound effect and various energy zaps. Both kaiju then stop and stand completely still until one of them reveals their injury.

That right there is the most textbook anime cliché imaginable outside of “characters falling over on their face when surprised” or “everyone morphs into big-headed midgets when they’re angry”. Seeing it brought to life in a Godzilla movie is enough to send the vomit surging up from my stomach. Director Tezuka’s obsession with anime trends doesn’t end there, either. You also have to suffer through Kudo’s computer virus detection program, featuring a “chibi” anime nurse girl flying in a jetpack and shooting lasers at black sludge in a VR environment. It’s remarkable in that it looks even stupider than it sounds.

Tezuka’s ill-conceived attempts at live-action anime aside, the problems with “Godzilla vs. Megaguirus” go on for miles. The characters are all pretty 2-dimensional. The main character, the elephant-eared Kiriko, is by far the worst, though. Her whole deal is that she became emotionally distant and outwardly cold to everybody after her commanding officer was killed by Godzilla in 1996. She “develops” as a character, gradually becoming warmer and more caring as the film progresses (due mostly to affectionate interaction with Kudo). There’s a loathsome trend in Japanese animation these days called “tsundere”, I believe, which features female characters exactly like Kiriko. Granted, the “cold on the outside/warm on the inside” template has existed in fiction for time immemorial, but considering all of Tezuka’s other anime-inspired effects, it’s pretty obvious what he was trying to do with Kiriko.

And now for the special effects.

The film opens with clips of “Godzilla (1954)”, albeit with the new Godzilla suit digitally imposed over the original and some classic scenes completely re-shot (such as Godzilla chewing on the train). It’s an interesting effect, to say the least, and probably one of the film’s more novel approaches. The new Godzilla suit features the elongated snout that the Big G sports throughout the Millenium series, which I love, as well as an overall more lizard-like appearance. My only complaint with Godzilla’s appearance in this film are his back plates/fins/spikes (whatever you want to call them), which are exaggerated to humorous proportions. They’re also colored quite strangely, a reddish/purplish/pinkish tone. The extra splash of color might not have been so awkward had the plates been smaller.

Megaguirus looks fantastic; very nasty and ugly and creepy and “holy jive gonna eat your babies”. Unfortunately, no matter how good a model looks, if it can’t be brought to life properly it means absolutely nothing. When Megaguirus makes his grand entrance in Tokyo, the wires holding him up are visible. And by “visible”, I mean they are completely obvious. Every. Single. One. As he flies across the city, you can see every wire as clear as day. You’d think that when the film cuts and shifts to a different angle that they might go away. You’d be wrong. The wires are still there and you can hear them laughing at you (or maybe that’s everybody else in the room, laughing at how terrible the effects are).

It is truly, truly pathetic.

“Godzilla vs. Megaguirus” also features a great deal of CGI, from the swarms of Meganulas to Godzilla’s swimming. The CG in this movie is on par with maybe an early Playstation 2 game. Maybe. The swarms of Meganulas don’t look too bad, but the scene in which Godzilla is swimming underwater while being struck with missiles couldn’t look any worse. The effects used on the Dimension Tide are equally unfinished in appearance, with only the swirling vortex in the clouds looking even remotely “cool”.

All in all, “Godzilla vs. Megaguirus” is just a train wreck in every department. I can’t fathom what made me like it the first time around, but I’m ashamed of myself for ever having defended it in the past. Outside of “Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla”, it really is the worst of the Millenium series.

Grade: F (as in “For the love of God, this is why otakus shouldn’t be allowed to make movies!”)
Shinki
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When Megaguirus makes his grand entrance in Tokyo, the wires holding him up are visible. And by “visible”, I mean they are completely obvious. Every. Single. One. As he flies across the city, you can see every wire as clear as day. You’d think that when the film cuts and shifts to a different angle that they might go away. You’d be wrong. The wires are still there and you can hear them laughing at you (or maybe that’s everybody else in the room, laughing at how terrible the effects are).

To be fair, that's a problem mainly in Sony's R1 DVD. For some reason, they brightened up both GvsM and GMK. Probably so that the night scenes were not as dark, but it in this case, it just backfired. Sure, you could see Megaguirus' wires in some scenes, but they were obvious in every scene she was in after appearing.

One common complaint I agree with is her "grand entrance". They totally blew it thanks to the shoddy wing movement, so it pretty much came off as "Durr, I'm Magneto, I fly though magnetism." It used to baffle me that none of the Heisei films did the flying monsters as effectively as the Showa films. The only recent films that did a good job were Rebirth of Mothra III, a couple scenes in GMK with (a CGI) King Ghidorah, Tokyo SOS, and Final Wars. It wasn't until Tokyo SOS where I found out exactly why, since it was stated the creators decided to use a lighter material for Mothra's wings compared to the usual.


Of course, the exception to this is Rodan. I always found it hilarious that reviews constantly complained that he hardly flapped his wings, even though he did so far more in his first appearance than the Showa counterparts, who pretty much glided at super-sonic speads a majority of the time, only flapping for take offs and landings.
DrSpengler
QUOTE(Roadgrabber @ Aug 18 2008, 08:06 PM) *
To be fair, that's a problem mainly in Sony's R1 DVD. For some reason, they brightened up both GvsM and GMK. Probably so that the night scenes were not as dark, but it in this case, it just backfired. Sure, you could see Megaguirus' wires in some scenes, but they were obvious in every scene she was in after appearing.


Well, that makes a little more sense. I just couldn't fathom how wires that obvious could possibly make it to the final cut and appear in theaters. So Tezuka is off the hook there, but now I have to wonder about Son'y remastering squad. If they even watched the movie after they were finished or just turned up the brightness dial while recording and called it a day.

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One common complaint I agree with is her "grand entrance". They totally blew it thanks to the shoddy wing movement, so it pretty much came off as "Durr, I'm Magneto, I fly though magnetism." It used to baffle me that none of the Heisei films did the flying monsters as effectively as the Showa films. The only recent films that did a good job were Rebirth of Mothra III, a couple scenes in GMK with (a CGI) King Ghidorah, Tokyo SOS, and Final Wars. It wasn't until Tokyo SOS where I found out exactly why, since it was stated the creators decided to use a lighter material for Mothra's wings compared to the usual.


So Megaguirus is a girl, like Mothra? They called Megaguirus a "queen" at one point in the movie, so I had my suspicions. I'll edit my review accordingly.

Just for future clarification, Battra's considered a girl, too?
Master Fwiffo
Oddly enough Spengler, I had the exact opposite experiance with Megaguirus. I hated it the first time around, but a watch or two later and I adore it. It's pretty much just like any other Showa movie, with the same amount of camp, silliness, and absurdity. I love it, it gives me a big goofy dumb smile every time I see it.

I die every time I see the scene where Godzilla catches the guys spike with his teeth.
Dvandom
Minor nit, not all of the Millennium movies are continuity-free. Godzilla x. Mechagodzilla and Tokyo S.O.S. form a two-picture miniseries.

---Dave
DrSpengler
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Aug 18 2008, 08:17 PM) *
I die every time I see the scene where Godzilla catches the guys spike with his teeth.


You see, that was the only part of the fight I LIKED. Godzilla takes it ont he chin throughout the whole battle until he FINALLY steps up. It was, admittedly, a pretty good moment.

QUOTE(Dvandom @ Aug 18 2008, 08:19 PM) *
Minor nit, not all of the Millennium movies are continuity-free. Godzilla x. Mechagodzilla and Tokyo S.O.S. form a two-picture miniseries.

---Dave


Oh, I know. It's just i'm gonna be using that tag in the "Items of Note" section for all my Millenium reviews and I thought including "except Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla and Tokyo SOS" made it sound way too long-winded. When I review those two movies I'll make note of their being the only ones in the Millenium series to have direct continuity.
Shinki
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Aug 18 2008, 08:14 PM) *
Just for future clarification, Battra's considered a girl, too?

No, Battra's generally considered male. Oddly enough, So is Mothra Leo in the Mothra trilogy.

Why they did that, I'll never know. A virgin birth is acceptable, but it seems odd, and effectively says "last of the line". Though considering how powerful he becomes over the course of the movies, and the death and Rebirth deal, he probably became immortal.
Alpha Omega Trion Supreme
I liked Megaguirus up until the scene where the egg hatches. It's a downhill ride from there. The story beforehand pretty much deals with erradicating Godzilla, and is pretty fun. The best part of this is when the girl rides and tags a swimming Godzilla. Definitely the high point of the flick. The black hole gun fx are pretty cool too. The worst part of the movie is the finale which *should* be the best part. I have the R1 dvd too, so I can't help but focus on the damn wires. Even if they weren't there I'd still have problems with it. It irks me when a Showa film depicts kaiju flight more realistically than a film made 20-30yrs after it.

The G suit's very similar(if not the same) to the one in 2000 which I liked, but when all's said and done, Megaguirus is my least favorite Millenium flick. Although I'll admit it just went up a notch in my book because I never connected the Rodan bugs to these bugs until today so that's a neat reference. How can I be a G-fan and not know that?
DrSpengler
QUOTE(Roadgrabber @ Aug 18 2008, 08:38 PM) *
QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Aug 18 2008, 08:14 PM) *
Just for future clarification, Battra's considered a girl, too?

No, Battra's generally considered male. Oddly enough, So is Mothra Leo in the Mothra trilogy.

Why they did that, I'll never know. A virgin birth is acceptable, but it seems odd, and effectively says "last of the line". Though considering how powerful he becomes over the course of the movies, and the death and Rebirth deal, he probably became immortal.


Och.

There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason as to what kaiju are considered male and which are female. Mothra is considered a girl because all Mothra are born pregnant, but then, Godzilla reproduces asexually and he's still considered a dude.

Whacky.
Starsteam
I got to see Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla II today, (friend let me borrow it). I say, it's pretty darn good film from that line. I love the part where's (baby)Godzilla is in a cage. LOL.

It had lot of classic new Godzilla style destruction. Baby G is a much better replacement of Minilla. I guess Little G is suposed the be an Heisei Minilla. Whatever.

Shinki
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Just wait until you see what he mutates into in Godzilla Vs. Space Godzilla.

He at least becomes pretty cool in Godzilla Vs. Destoroyah though.
Starsteam
Yeah, I'm trying to get more Heisei films. All I have is 1985 and King Ghidorah.


After I watch it, I got my Mecha and 2000 Godzilla figures and rip off Mecha's head. Hehe.
Alpha Omega Trion Supreme
The Megaguirus discussion caused me to realize I hadn't seen the movie in a while, so I plopped it in and watched it last night. My opinion of it is a bit higher than it was. I really do like the first half of the film, and the girl tagging Godzilla in the ocean is just a great scene. The colorized courtroom-ish scene from the original movie is pretty neat. However, the film most definitely falls apart and becomes almost unwatchable once Megaguirus shows up. There's nothing natural about its movements, and the "monstervision" does not work at all. I still remember the first time I watched the movie when this effect showed up and thought that there was a scratch on the disc. During the fight between the two, the cliche anime clash bit isn't *that* bad, but the belly splash is just plain silly and really stands out in a bad way.

Well, there's always Godzilla: Save the Earth and Godzilla Unleashed for some more natural Megaguirus movements and kaiju battles. icon-fire.gif Heh, just realized that smiley even looks a little like Megaguirus.
Alpha Omega Trion Supreme
Eeep. Just read this tid bit of news about the restored HD Godzilla movies:

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Japanese BBS posters have been discussing the GODZILLA X HI-VISION documentary and the clips from the HD restorations. A couple of things:

- The remastering/restoration was preformed at the Tokyo Laboratory. In all, everyone is praising their work on the films.

- Masahiro Kishimoto was in charge of the color correction adjustment for every cut of each film (Kishimoto was the camera man for MOTHRA '92, SPACE GODZILLA, GxM, GMK and GxMG).

- The sleepy-looking haze that hung over the Heisei series is gone; the films now look very clear with strong colors and deep contrast.

- You can see each letter in detail on the tiny signs on the model sets.

- With the Showa films, you can no longer just see the piano wires, but the hooks that the piano wires are attached too!


I guess you could argue that 1080p still doesn't show as much detail as the 35mm the film the movie was originally shot on, and that fx tricks should be even more obvious on the original 35mm print than an HD transfer. I still can't help but feel a little anxious about this. I'm noticing these things on upscaled 480p dvds, and at least they're not blatant at this point. HD will make it a little harder to pretend they're not there.
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