 Ant Man is an Athiest..., Think about that for a second. |
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 Apr 11 2012, 11:32 AM
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 Group: Citizen Posts: 742 Joined: 10-January 12 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 15,105 Faction: RIBFIR  |
So in the latest issue Avengers Academy, Hank Pym objects to the term "Godson" on account that he's an Athiest.
(IMG:http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8209/picture53c.png) But think about that for a second, And I mean reaaaaaaaaaaly think about that. Doesn't this guy meet gods like ALL THE TIME!? I'm pretty sure they saw an Eternal earlier IN THE SAME ISSUE. Doesn't Mephisto like cause trouble for them all the time? And he's the freaking Devil! THOR! Remember Thor? Your Buddy? You founded the Avengers together! Your colleagues come back from the dead all the t- no no... you're right... There is absolutely nothing beyond the realm of your understanding in the miraculous world of the Marvel Universe. |
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Apr 11 2012, 11:37 AM
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Yeah.. I like positive portrayals of atheists in the media, but when a fictional universe is stuffed full of active gods it gets kind of silly.
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Apr 11 2012, 11:37 AM
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 Weathering the storm. Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 7,341 Joined: 8-July 03 From: Tyrone, PA Member No.: 3,138 Faction: Maximal |
I'm almost positive Hank subscribes to the belief that any deities and devils/demons he's met are simply highly-advanced extra-dimensional beings. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-arcee.gif)
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Apr 11 2012, 11:41 AM
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 I brought the Glow Sticks!  Group: Supporter Posts: 4,401 Joined: 25-October 04 From: Longview, WA Member No.: 5,224 Faction: Maximal |
So is that the kid Tigra conceived with Skrull Hank there? Awwwwwwwwkward (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-wildride.gif)
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Apr 11 2012, 11:51 AM
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 Group: Citizen Posts: 3,780 Joined: 2-January 05 From: UK Member No.: 5,709 |
Spider-Mans listed as a protestant but people will curse Marvel now that he's prayed to the Beyonder in one recent issue, I forget which.
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Apr 11 2012, 11:52 AM
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 Chopper Face 69 Group: Supporter Posts: 10,391 Joined: 6-March 03 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 2,450 Faction: Lesbian Ninja |
Reminds of Han Solo who doesn't believe in the force, a completely laughable point of view to have in the Star Wars universe.
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Apr 11 2012, 12:12 PM
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 Yes, me. Me, me, me. Me too! Group: Supporter Posts: 25,142 Joined: 22-December 04 From: Huntington, WV Member No.: 5,666 Faction: Autobot |
QUOTE(Ursa Magnus @ Apr 11 2012, 12:37 PM)  I'm almost positive Hank subscribes to the belief that any deities and devils/demons he's met are simply highly-advanced extra-dimensional beings. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-arcee.gif) Pretty much. But yeah...Eternity, Death, etc, sure as heck aren't aliens or advanced humans like the Eternals, so it does come off as silly. --------------------  |
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Apr 11 2012, 12:21 PM
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 I Will Eat Your Planet! Group: Citizen Posts: 6,059 Joined: 17-September 03 From: Canada Member No.: 3,576 Faction: Cannonball's Pirate Crew |
Has Ant Man ever been dead?
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Apr 11 2012, 12:23 PM
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 Novus ordo seclorum Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 41,300 Joined: 18-June 03 From: Westlake, OH Member No.: 3,012 Faction: RIBFIR |
QUOTE(Ursa Magnus @ Apr 11 2012, 12:37 PM) I'm almost positive Hank subscribes to the belief that any deities and devils/demons he's met are simply highly-advanced extra-dimensional beings. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-arcee.gif) This. If anything it would make someone LESS likely to believe in the God since you do have a bunch of "highly-advanced extra-dimensional beings" running around. --------------------  |
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Apr 11 2012, 12:24 PM
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I brought the Glow Sticks! Group: Supporter Posts: 4,401 Joined: 25-October 04 From: Longview, WA Member No.: 5,224 Faction: Maximal |
Obviously Hank doesn't subscribe to Reeds story of god being Jack Kirby (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-fire.gif)
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Apr 11 2012, 12:25 PM
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 You humans are so weird. Group: Supporter Posts: 14,757 Joined: 30-March 04 From: 123 Carenden Road Member No.: 4,369 Faction: Cannonball's Pirate Crew |
What the hell does terminology have to do with anything? I'm an atheist and I still call my godfather a godfather.
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Apr 11 2012, 12:26 PM
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Yes, me. Me, me, me. Me too! Group: Supporter Posts: 25,142 Joined: 22-December 04 From: Huntington, WV Member No.: 5,666 Faction: Autobot |
QUOTE(UnicronusPrime @ Apr 11 2012, 01:21 PM) Has Ant Man ever been dead? If nothing else I believe he was among the half of the universe killed by Thanos in INFINITY GAUNTLET. However I may be wrong about that. This post has been edited by ^0^CORVUS^o^: Apr 11 2012, 12:27 PM -------------------- |
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Apr 11 2012, 12:33 PM
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 Group: Citizen Posts: 12,124 Joined: 21-December 01 From: Martinsburg, WV Member No.: 53 Faction: RIBFIR |
At least Marvel obfuscates their cosmology behind sci-fi trappings most of the time.
In DC comics, Mister Terrific is an atheist, and he's on the JLA reserve with Zauriel, an actual angel. --------------------   |
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Apr 11 2012, 12:40 PM
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Chopper Face 69 Group: Supporter Posts: 10,391 Joined: 6-March 03 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 2,450 Faction: Lesbian Ninja |
I feel it's sloppy writing to characterize a scientist as an atheist in a world where gods are real. Such a person should be the first to believe in such entities, as sufficient proof of their existence is there. Atheists in a theoretical world where proof of gods is as available as proof of anything in our world would actually be extremely delusional people, equivalent to conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones who believe in all manor of nonsense but quests the mundane obvious truths of the world around us.
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Apr 11 2012, 12:55 PM
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 I burned out my eyes, I cut off my tounge. Group: Citizen Posts: 9,374 Joined: 10-April 04 From: Spencer, WV Member No.: 4,413 |
Like was stated above, he doesn't actually believe theyre gods. And since he's seen and experienced so many of them first hand, that stance is honestly pretty understandable.K
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Apr 11 2012, 01:51 PM
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 I AM THE PUMPKIN KING!!! Group: Citizen Posts: 9,104 Joined: 23-December 01 Member No.: 105 |
QUOTE(Adam @ Apr 11 2012, 09:40 AM) I feel it's sloppy writing to characterize a scientist as an atheist in a world where gods are real. Such a person should be the first to believe in such entities, as sufficient proof of their existence is there. Atheists in a theoretical world where proof of gods is as available as proof of anything in our world would actually be extremely delusional people, equivalent to conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones who believe in all manor of nonsense but quests the mundane obvious truths of the world around us. How are we defining god? Or God for that matter. Just because an extra-dimensional being weilds a nearly indestruble hammer and can control the weather, it doesn't affect, one way or another, whether or not the universe was created by an all-powerful, omnipresent diety. There's still no direct evidence one way or another. Just because you find a Unicorn doesn't mean alien abuction stories are real. This post has been edited by Undead Scottsman: Apr 11 2012, 01:51 PM |
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Apr 11 2012, 02:27 PM
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Chopper Face 69 Group: Supporter Posts: 10,391 Joined: 6-March 03 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 2,450 Faction: Lesbian Ninja |
How is Ant Man defining God? In this Universe, the only thing which might make sense is to question the existence of the Abrahamic God. With all these creatures which are essentially Gods, what does he even mean when he says he's an Atheist? Yes, they're all advanced beings, some sort of alien. We accept that Thor is such, but in the Marvel Universe life itself was seeded by a progenitor race if I understand correctly. If he's simply denying the existence of a single God, that might make sense, but with all the straight up magic, afterlife, god after god after god, then to proclaim yourself an atheist is a really stupid statement that requires some context.
In this context, relating to "godfather" or "godson" I think "I'm not Christian" would suffice. Just who would be Christian in the Marvel Universe anyway? Can't they just go back in time and see what the fuss was about? Wouldn't they just assume Jesus was a mutant? Or maybe the writers decided after 3 days that he could sell more issues? -------------------- |
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Apr 11 2012, 02:45 PM
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I don't understand what all the confusion is about. As has already been stated, many of the scientist-types of the MU ascribe no religious origin to the beings that call themselves gods. Iron Man writers in particular can't stop repeating themselves on the subject.
When you've actually MET Volstagg, you realize the classification "god" gets tossed around rather loosely. Though Detour is right, it's just a stupidly-written piece of dialogue to begin with. Just use the term everyone else uses, Pym, you bunghole. -------------------- This week at Comic Critics!: Like a Brit out of Hell
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Apr 11 2012, 03:30 PM
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 Blasphemer Group: Citizen Posts: 15,257 Joined: 29-January 05 From: Copperas Cove, Texas Member No.: 5,902 |
Adherents.com already has a list going of comic book characters by denomination.
And here's the list for *minor* characters, as it was too big for the main page. Unfortunately, for all the research they did, they apparently didn't take the time to actually ensure that it was all that legible. -------------------- Lexicon: still up and running!
** "At my last intern briefing, Craig was clearly tired. His message had changed to, "Stay out of trouble, period." It seemed that, as director of security, Livingstone was growing old fast. If he didn't watch out, he'd become one of us - a 'Mormon' or a 'straight,' which is what Clinton staffers called FBI agents, the Secret Service, and former Bush employees." Aldrich, Gary. Unlimited Access Washington D.C.: Regency, 1996. Pg 38 ** Please visit my Half.com store Deviant Art page |
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Apr 11 2012, 03:43 PM
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 Slightly Off Group: Supporter Posts: 30,140 Joined: 24-January 04 From: Nebraska Member No.: 4,016 Faction: Autobot |
Isn't it rather silly that Super Heroes have religious affiliations at all, seeing as how they're basically just the Grecco-Roman Pantheon modernized? Heck, most if not all the Grecco-Roman Pantheon appear in these books.
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