G1 Hardhead and Darkwing's guns, Are they 5mm pegs? How do the colors compare to Universe? Options

[Jeremy Gargo]

Was thinking of ordering some for my Universe Darkwing, but wanted to be sure he'd actually be able to hold them. That's all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-op.gif)

This post has been edited by Jeremy: Feb 8 2010, 10:45 PM

[ZacWilliam1]

Hold on, I'll run downstairs and try...

Yes. He holds them fine.


-ZacWilliam, was looking for a place to store those anyway, since G1 Darkwing's in storage right now.

[Jeremy Gargo]

Cool, thanks!

Edit: By the way, does it work to mount them in vehicle mode, in the back sides of his fists?

This post has been edited by Jeremy: Feb 8 2010, 02:45 PM

[MonsterFromMars]

Yeah, I figured they were the right size. I should do this too.

[mx-01 archon]

Cool, thanks!

Edit: By the way, does it work to mount them in vehicle mode, in the back sides of his fists?

That would leave his fists sticking out in front of his wings, wouldn't it?

[Jeremy Gargo]

I don't believe so, the bottom part of his fist hole is exposed in vehicle mode when the arms are pegged in under the wings as normal. It might not have enough clearance to work though.

[mx-01 archon]

Ah. Don't own the mold, but I new the fists swung in to leave an angled plate for jet mode.

[Jeremy Gargo]

Cool. Now, for anyone who has both, how do the colors of G1 Hardhead and Darkwing's guns compare to their Universe incarnations? Like I'm talking the gray on Darkwing, and the green on Hardhead. I'm going to order some reproductions, and wanted to know if I should request them a bit darker or anything.

[Sean Whitmore]

Oh snap, I never even considered this!

*Runs to G1 box* Gonna try Dreadwind and Weirdwolf too!

[C16]

This should be the "Which G1 guns fit in their Modern Counterparts?" thread.

Can Timelines Nightbeat hold his G1 gun?

[Boltax]

This should be the "Which G1 guns fit in their Modern Counterparts?" thread.

Can Timelines Nightbeat hold his G1 gun?

The answer is simple.

Any large-fisted TF from G1 has a 5mm gun post. If the modern counterpart has a 5mm post hole fist then yes, they can hold the old gun.

Examples:

Timelines Nightbeat can hold his old gun.
Universe Onslaught can hold his old gun.
Any new version of Rad can hold Lioniser because Lioniser's beard is a 5mm post.

Meanwhile, smaller-fisted TFs do not have 5mm gun posts. So:

Universe Prowl can't hold his old gun.
Energon Downshift can't hold Wheeljack's old gun (he didn't have one.)

--Boltax.
(Incidentally -- yes, you can arm Big Daddy with Micromaster weapons as if he was Micromaster Big Daddy merged with a Micromaster base.)

[C16]

Not everyone can tell if a figure has a large fist or not. I have no idea the size comparison of 84 Autobot cars to Headmaster era vehicles.

[Boltax]

Not everyone can tell if a figure has a large fist or not. I have no idea the size comparison of 84 Autobot cars to Headmaster era vehicles.

Okay. The regular Diaclone cars, the small Scramble City members' pistols and most late-G1 UK mould do NOT have 5mm peg holes. Moulds I know for certain that do...


1984:
Optimus Prime (Sadly, due to a terrible design flaw (that has NEVER been corrected, despite all the reissues) it's basically impossible to give his gun to any other Prime toys. The gun's handle is moulded in the wrong place, and there's a false handle where the real one should be. It is possible to give Prime weapons from newer toys -- or to give newer toys Roller's hose.)

Soundwave (Though it should be noted that there are variable tollerances on his weapons -- but yes, generally speaking you can give his weapons to Cybertron Soundwave.)
Ravage, Rumble, Frenzy, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw. (These guys can actually mount on mini-con ports!)
Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp (Their wings AND their weapons have 5mm posts. Yes, you could give their weapons to a classics toy)
Megatron (You can actually give Henkei Megatron G1 Megatron's huge chrome rifle. It looks GREAT.)



1985:
Blaster (Yes, Classics Blaster can hold the Electro Scrambler rifle)
Perceptor
Snarl (MAYBE his shoulder mounted launcher -- unsure. It sorta fits with my Gen2 version -- someone would have to confirm this. None of the other Dinobots have 5mm posts, though.)
Topspin and Twin Twist (These toys do NOT have 5mm post holes, but their rifles have a 5mm base to the gun peg. It's possible to give their rifles to toys with a 5mm post hand as long as the hole goes all the way through the hand to allow you to feed the smaller post through.)

Devastator's fists (Devastator's rifle also has a small post and a larger post together, so you need to give it to someone with a fist hole that goes all the way through the hand.
Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust (Yes, you could give their weapons to a classics toy.)
Blitzwing

UNSURE:
Whirl (don't have him -- pretty sure he's a 'no')
Deluxe Insecticons (don't have them -- VERY unlikely)


1986:
Outback (Yup! His little pistol is a 5mm post. Yes this means that Botcon Fallback can hold it!)
Superion (but not Silverbolt -- still, you should be able to give Silverbolt's rifle to Universe Silverbolt.)
Hot Spot (His rifles, NOT his hoses, which use a smaller post)
Defensor
First Aid, Streetwise, Blades and Groove (For their large vehicle weapons -- Blades and Grooves' weapons can mount on mini-con posts and First Aid and Streetwise's vehicle cannons can sorta be held by toys with 5mm posts.)
Wreck-Gar
Steeljaw (but NOT Rewind/Eject, oddly -- I don't have Ramhorn to check him.)
Metroplex (he has 5mm posts all over the place. Scamper doesn't have 5mm peg holes. However Slammer doesn't have 5mm peg holes, nor does Sixgun's pistol. Slammer's turret, however, IS on a 5mm peg! It's also a hollow peg, so his turret can be mounted on Mini-cons!)

Ultra Magnus (My reissue has problems with his shoulders being too loose for other 5mm weapons, but my original doesn't have that issue. Yes, you can give his rifle to Classics Ultra MAgnus. Interestingly enough the rifle has two ways of being held -- the large robot uses a larger peg than the small inner robot. So classics Magnus can only hold the rifle using the post for the inner robot. Also keep in mind that there isn't perfect clearance for the rifle -- so it will sit at a SLIGHT angle in Classics Magnus' hand.)


Motormaster
Dead End, Breakdown, Wildrider and Drag Strip (again, their vehicle mode cannons, not their small pistols.)
Onslaught (yes, his rifle can be used with the Universe toy. The green doesn't quite match, but it still looks really nice.)
Swindle, Vortex, Blast Off and Brawl (again, their large vehicle weapons. Yes, Blast Off and Vortex's weapons can mount on mini-con ports.)

Razorclaw, Rampage, Tantrum, Headstrong, Divebomb.
Predaking (so he can hold the different dudes' weapons!)

Scourge (only his head gun, not his rifle.)
Galvatron (his rifle looks GREAT with Classics Megatron -- just friggin' fantastic, actually.)

Trypticon (I don't have him. But I can confirm that Full-Tilt does NOT use 5mm posts. On the other hand the Brunt Tank turret DOES use them. I just gave Armada Galvatron a massive light-up arm cannon. Yes, I have a Brunt Tank turret and no Trypticon. So what? Shut the hell up!)

UNSURE:
Ramhorn (as stated above -- probably a yes.)
Broadside (Possibly yes.)
Blurr (really unsure.)
Ratbat (probably yes)
Octane (no idea)



1987:
Scattershot
Afterburner, Strafe, Lightspeed, Nosecone. (Only their vehicle mode weapons. Noteably unlike the first year toys their more gun-like weapons actually have posts instead of post-holes, so you can give their large weapons to other toys with 5mm posts to hold as rifles/pistols.)
Computron

Fastlane + Cloudraker
Repugnus, Doublecross, Grotusque
Punch/Counterpunch
Pointblank, Crosshairs, Sureshot, TM Hot Rod, TM Blurr, TM Kup.
Chromedome, Brainstorm, Hardhead, Highbrow
Fortress Maximus (while Fort Max's massive rifles are huge over-sized posts (Because he's a huge, over-sized toy), nearly every other accessory or weapon, for his smaller components are 5mm pegs.)

(Basically EVERY Autobot toy this year except the Throttlebots.)


Hun-Grrr
Rippersnapper, Sinnertwin (only these two have larger weapons with 5mm posts out of this set, Blot and Cutthroat use smaller posts.)
Abominus

Pounce + Wingspan
Sixshot

Triggerhappy, Misfire, Slugslinger, TM Scourge, TM Cyclonus
Skullcruncher, Mindwipe, Weirdwolf, Apeface, Snapdragon
Scorponok (all his smaller accessories, including the towers, the lift, the mechanical arms, etc. use 5mm posts. His massive rifle, and the rifle cover ALSO use 5mm posts and *yes* you can give the rifle to Energon Scorponok just fine. Sadly, because of its design the shield uses a post hole that is SLIGHTLY bigger than 5mm. It will mount on a mini-con post, but VERY loosely. On the upside there is a mini-con post on the inside top of the shield -- it's a 5mm post with a hollow centre. Mini-cons can mount on it just fine! Fasttrack's weapons are NOT 5mm posts, but his arms ARE -- so you can freely mount any 5mm post guns in instead of his arms. Or give extra arms to other toys.)

UNSURE:
Slugfest, Overkill (Don't own them -- very probable yes.)


1988
Grand Slam, Raindance
Landfill, Quickmix, Scoop
Nightbeat, Siren, Hosehead
Getaway, Slapdash, Joyride
Powermaster Optimus Prime
Quickswitch
Landmine, Waverider, Sky High, Cloudburst, Groundbreaker, Splashdown (all the Pretenders use 5mm posts standard for their shells -- their inner robots use smaller posts, but this doesn't really affect giving their weapons to later toys. Landmine's weapons are completely compatible with, say, Energon Landmine. The inner robots usually have 5mm posts elsewhere on their body because their guns form part of their vehicle mode.)

SnapTrap (But *NOT* Piranacon, oddly enough.)
Overbite, Skalor, Seawing, Tentakil, Nautilator (Ridiculous amounts of 5mm pegs here. All their weapons have at least one 5mm peg. They also come with gun mounts which come in three parts -- a base, a post and a connector. The post is moulded to look like a rifle and has both a small peg and several 5mm pegs. You can actually mount multiple Seacons on the one gun post, in theory.)

Spinister, Needlenose, Quake
Horri-Bull, Fangry, Squeezeplay
Dreadwind, Darkwing
Doubledealer
Skullgrin, Submarauder, Bugly, Bomb-Burst, Iguanus, Finback (The same notes as for the Autobot Pretenders apply here.)

UNSURE:
Chainclaw, Catilla, Gunrunner (likely yes)
Squawktalk, Beastbox (likely yes)
Carnivac, Snarler, Roadgrabber (likely yes)


1989:
Pincher, Doubleheader, Longtooth.
Pretender Bumblebee, Pretender Grimlock, Pretender Jazz (The legends versions of these toys, that don't come with shells, still come with 5mm post guns, though all the 5mm post guns also have smaller posts. Yes, you can give the Pretender weapons to Classics Bumblebee and Classics Grimlock. Interestingly, I've never seen them armed this way. It'd be a perfect way to arm Bumblebee.)

Erector
Hot House, Ironworks
Groundshaker
Countdown (in addition to having the ramping system, basically all Micromaster weapons use 5mm pegs so that you have inter-changeability there.)

Monstructor (But not the Pretender Monsters themselves -- except where they mount Monstructor parts on their shells using either 5mm posts or 5mm post holes.)
Pretender Starscream (Again, as with any Pretenders the inner robot uses smaller post holes than the outer shell. Yes you can give his weapons to Classics Starscream)

Flattop (but oddly *NOT* Roughstuff. He's the only Micromaster with large weapons that AREN'T compatible with other Micromasters.)
Greasepit, Airwave
Skyhopper
Skystalker

UNSURE (actually, I'm pretty sure all these guys have 5mm pegs, but I don't own them, so can't confirm 100 percent:)
Crossblades, Vroom
Skyhammer
Thunderwing
Roadblock


1990
Action MAsters pretty much dropped the 5mm posts in favour of a smaller standard sized peg. Some of the bases use 5mm posts for their weapon systems.

Lionizer (Because of his beard he actually has a double-post, so he has a 5mm post, though it's very tight you CAN give him to, say, Cybertron Smokescreen who was an homage of Rad.)

Prowl's Turbo Cycle (his engine intakes have a 5mm port, so they can mount on Mini-con pegs, and his wheel section has a 5mm post... so in theory other toys can hold it. This is all pretty useless to your classics Prowl who uses a 5mm port but probably doesn't want to carry around a random wheel assembly. However, oddly enough, G1 Prowl uses the same size fist holes as the Action Masters -- one of the few Diaclones who does -- making Action Master and G1 Prowl's weapons interchangeable.)

Over-Run (While his helicopter and him aren't really 5mm compatible he DOES have hand-held missile launchers with 5mm post HOLES on them. They can be mounted on mini-con ports, OR you can mount 5mm guns on top of them while Over-Run is holding them -- but good luck keeping his arms up).

Optimus Prime's Armored Convoy (Prime's base has a bunch of black guns and other orange guns with 5mm posts. Yes, you can give all these weapons to Classics Primes. The black guns have hollow posts and so can be mounted on Mini-cons.)

Combiner Transports, Missile Launcher + Tanker Truck
Battlefield Headquarters

Megatron's Neutro-Fusion Tank
Guncruncher's Stratotronic Jet (His missiles have 5mm post holes, rather than 5mm posts. This means you can mount his missiles on mini-con ports.)

Cannon Transport
Anti-Aircraft Base (Blackout and Spaceshot's base has weapons and accessories that have 5mm posts, and some that have 5mm post holes. Consequently the base is littered with 5mm posts -- and they're all hollow, making the base really mini-con compatible!)


That's it for US Gen1. I hope that helps.

--Boltax.
(I think I might see about rolling all this stuff into a wiki article.)

This post has been edited by Boltax: Feb 9 2010, 08:31 AM

[Kraken Isaac]

pics plz?

[Boltax]

Classics Prime with Powermaster Optimus Prime guns.
Ultimate Battle Prime with Action Master Prime guns.
Bumblebee with G1 Legends Bumblebee's gun (also Pretender Jazz's small rifle.)

(IMG:http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/random/photos/fivemilimetre_001.jpg)

Universe Onslaught with G1 Onslaught's rifle.
Henkei Megatron with G1 Megatron's chrome rifle.
(IMG:http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/random/photos/fivemilimetre_002.jpg)

--Boltax.

[NightViper]

Universe Hardhead with G1 Hardhead's gun:

(IMG:http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr249/Night_Viper/hardhead-battle.jpg)

[Boltax]

Classics Ramjet with G1 Ramjet's wings:
(IMG:http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/random/photos/fivemilimetre_003.jpg)

Classics Ramjet with 4 Seacon post rifles, just for the hell of it:
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Energon Scorponok with G1 Scorponok's rifle. Just because he can.
(IMG:http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/random/photos/fivemilimetre_005.jpg)


Annnnnd... Well. If you needed ANOTHER reason to love the Armada Megatron mould, here's one for you.
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Featuring Galvatron wearing:
Classics Prime's rifle.
A Seacon (plugged on using the Seacon stand connector)
2 Gutcruncher missiles
A Predaking fist.
Trypticon's brunt tank turret
Actionmaster Prowl's air intake units.

--Boltax.

[Boltax]

A little word about tolerances.

5mm pegs are in theory universal. In practice they're not quite universal. My Pretender Grimlock's sword rifle, for example, is slightly big. It'll fit in a 5mm post hole, but is VERY tight. I also discovered that Classics Grimlock does NOT have 5mm posts. They're INCREDIBLY close, but not quite there. His weapons are loose in other figure's hands, and he CANNOT hold 5mm weapons. Sadness.

But, yeah. Don't push it. Some weapons will be loose, some will be really tight. My Skystalker has really loose post holes on the nosecone of his space shuttle -- but the wing ones are nice and tight. I have to switch around his weapons to find the ones that fit JUST a little bit better in the front and use them in vehicle mode. This sort of thing is not uncommon. It's not uncommon for one G1 Soundwave's weapons to be loose in another G1 Soundwave's hands. Same with Metroplex. Just the nature of the beast.

My Onslaught has really tight fists that ONLY JUST hold his gun.

--Boltax.

This post has been edited by Boltax: Feb 9 2010, 10:02 AM

[Jeremy Gargo]

Ok, so in summation, it looks like I should ask for my Hardhead guns to be a little darker than for the G1 figure.

Anyone know about Darkwing's gray?

[C16]

Damn, this is turning into a resource thread.

Let me say though, if you clip off the handle on G1 Prime's rifle, other figures can hold it from the 5mm post.

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This post has been edited by C16: Feb 9 2010, 11:41 PM