Ever had something Ruined because of a spoiler? Options

[Teufel]

I tend to bail on discussions with other anime fans that move to older anime I haven't seen yet. In general they seem to have no understanding that perhaps some people who haven't been watching anime as long as they have might not know what happens and prefer to keep it a surprise.

Me: "Oh, Kino's Journey? I really want to see it."
Jackass Otaku: "Oh, you should, it's great. Especially the ending DETAILED SPOILER DETAILED SPOILER DETAILED SPOILER!"
Me: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-megs.gif)

God help you if you're in a thread about an anime based on a long running manga or novel series, because there's always some douche who has to act like they're special because they've read the source and spoil jive when you're just curious about other people's opinions of the show.

Someone in middle school blurted out the twist to Sixth Sense. I still haven't seen it. Bastard.

The last season of The Sopranos was more or less spoiled. Fair enough, a show like that ending how is it not going to talked about in detail everywhere? But I'd still managed to keep away from most spoilers until I was channel surfing and stopped on Leno as he announced his next guest .

HIGHLIGHT to view:
"My next guest is Michael Imperioli whose long-time character Christopher Moltisanti died on The Sopranos earlier this week." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-screamer.gif) But I stopped on Leno, so you know, I guess I got what I deserved.

This post has been edited by Teufel: Nov 24 2009, 01:51 AM

[Buster Darkwings]

"Today's Animated episode was great--I loved the fight between Lockdown and Prowl."
"Yeah, Prowl's cool, too bad HE'S GONNA DIE AND OMEGA SUPREME AND GIRL-SEEKER AND SARI'S A ROBOT YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST."

Some people just cannot keep their hugging mouths shut.

The time Code of Hero was spoiled in the subject line of a post by some dick in Canada (where it had aired before the US) has that beat, since it was on ATT and couldn't be mod-edited...

[StarSaber]

hug a spoiler whore, hug an arbitrary statute of limitations, if someone hasn't seen something, they shouldn't be spoiled.

I kind of agree with this. However, it really depends on how much you know about what they know.

If a conversation were to steer towards a subject you didn't want spoiled and you were upfront with your feelings then I agree - they shouldn't spoil it for you. However, if you didn't raise any objections, how is one to know that you haven't seen/read/experienced whatever it is that you don't want spoiled? Is everyone to just assume that no one knows anything when approaching a subject for discussion? That approach really doesn't seem condusive to constructive conversation.

If the item in question is relatively recent then I could certainly see the need for caution. The problem becomes in defining what is "recent" when dealing with a global forum. If someone's in another country, for example, how is one to know whether a topic is considered "new" to them or not and how is one to even know the locales and particular situation of each person he's conversing with?

Personally, I don't mind spoilers 99% of the time and that other 1% I can accept if forced to. I don't know how many time a friend or relative convinced me to read a particular book, watch a certain program or movie, or go see a specific play by revealing certain key elements which
might be considered spoilers to some. Just saying "it's really cool! You'll like it!" often isn't enough to hook me as I've often been let down because my tastes differed from theirs. I certainly don't want to pay good money to buy a book or a movie ticket based on a purely biased opinion. Give me a few details though and if I like what I hear, I'm likely to give it a shot.

Case in point: A few years ago, I'd heard radio ads for Wicked. I'm not a huge Baum fan and musicals are more often miss-than-hit with me.
I was certain that I had no interest in seeing the play. Even after numerous people told me how "great" and "popular" it was, I refused to even entertain the idea. A couple of weeks later, an online friend spoiled a few plot details after I had mentioned the play in passing and suddenly I just had to get tickets. It wasn't easy but I did and I had the time of my life. Knowing how it was going to end hadn't decreased my enjoyment. It had become the impetus for my going in the first place.

-SS (Naturally, I understand that not everyone is going to think and react the same way...)

This post has been edited by StarSaber: Nov 24 2009, 02:47 AM

[LBD "Nytetrayn"]

I just hate it when it comes in a place with spoiler tags, the place in question isn't generally known to spoil things without clear warning, but then someone throws a wrench into the whole thing.

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

[Radical Good Spe...]

I've had a few conversations ruined because some of the people I talk to are very picky about what constitutes a spoiler for them.

Hey, now, I'm very selective in the topics about which I get picky. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-waspy.gif)

Phrasing that sentence was much harder than it should have been. I should probably sleep.

[Jeysie]

If a conversation were to steer towards a subject you didn't want spoiled and you were upfront with your feelings then I agree - they shouldn't spoil it for you. However, if you didn't raise any objections, how is one to know that you haven't seen/read/experienced whatever it is that you don't want spoiled? Is everyone to just assume that no one knows anything when approaching a subject for discussion? That approach really doesn't seem condusive to constructive conversation.

Yeah, this is what I was trying to get at.

If I specifically know the person I'm talking to hasn't seen something yet, I won't spoil things for them. But if I'm trying to have a discussion with people who have seen it, or there's a discussion on a different topic where a part of some story makes a good example for something, and it's something that's been out for a few months or more, then I refuse to feel guilty if that means someone who comes across the conversation and hasn't seen the thing in question gets spoiled.

Because what are we supposed to do? Put any mention of any part of any story in spoiler blocks, even if the thing in question is months or years old, just in case some random person might come along who hasn't seen it? It starts going from courteous to ridiculously hindering after a while.

[rodimus_dilbert]

Topics that shouldn't have spoilers in them such as say a transformer animated general discussion.. all spoilers mentioned should be hidden, but if someone were to go into "ROTF movie discussion (spoilers)" thread and then bitch about spoilers not being hidden that ALWAYS manages to piss me off.

I don't mind hiding spoilers for people, I really don't, but if I'm about to go into a thread that is going to have spoilers, and know damn well there are going to be, and I don't want to be spoiled, I don't go in that thread. What I definitely don't do is go into that thread, read the whole damn thing.. like all 57 posts... then reply with "what the hug guys?!?! thanks for not hiding the spoilers!" I have seen that happen so many times on here as well as other message boards, and it drives me nuts. Clearly it was a spoiler thread, and not meant to be gone into if you didn't want to be spoiled... so why did you go into it? Where is the logic.. because frankly I just don't see it in that argument.

[rodimus_dilbert]

Because what are we supposed to do? Put any mention of any part of any story in spoiler blocks, even if the thing in question is months or years old, just in case some random person might come along who hasn't seen it? It starts going from courteous to ridiculously hindering after a while.

HIGHLIGHT to view:
Jesus dies in the bible.

Honestly... to avoid this in the future lets just spoiler tag all verbs and nouns.

This post has been edited by rodimus_dilbert: Nov 24 2009, 09:12 AM

[Dissever]

*snip*

This, a million times. People screech 'NO SPOILERS' when a person pipes up with 'Hey this was awesome' and have given no other indication of pursuing the topic. At that point the conversation becomes less about small talk, and more about that person's ridiculous hang-up. This is not good socialization; hence my earlier soulless statement about priorities being straight. ;>

[The Predaking]

Yeah, Animated had a ton of cool things spoiled thanks to people putting up animated gifs in their sig and avatar weeks in advance of the episode airing. Someone here also ruined a major characters death in Gurren Laggan for me too in a TF Animated discussion thread.

It happens, and it ticks me off, but oh well, there's nothing that you can do about it. As long as the person learns to use the spoiler tags and is apologetic about spoiling it, I get over it.

[rodimus_dilbert]

Well if we censored everything that someone might not know about then we would have absolutely nothing to talk about and none of us would have avatars. such as.. "well you haven't met me yet, so i can't post my face, you haven't seen beast wars so i cant put up my favorite pic of waspinator.. oops, spoiled you on the name of a major character, maybe my picture of the cowardly lion.. oh you have never seen the wizard of oz? damn. well ill get back to you on that... but for now.. here is a pic of nothing to establish who i am. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-hotrod.gif) "

We cant censor everything on the basis that someone hasn't seen it, and we cant assume that someone has either. Unitl you know, you don't know, and you cant sit there and wave a stick at someone unless they ask you something along the lines of "have you seen surrogates with Bruce Willis? oh you haven't? well... it turns out that HIGHLIGHT to view:
Ving Rhames is a surrogate all along!! spoiler for those who haven't seen it.. but you get my point i hope.

[Rhinox]

I don't want to be rude here, but if you're really jonsing for the surprise of whatever to not be spoiled for you, then I've a question.

What the hell are you doing on the internet?

I mean, come on, the internet itself is spoiler frikken central. If your panties get in that big of a bunch over spoilers, then stay the hug offline. Jumping online and then acting pissy when you're inevitebly spoiled is rediculous. If being spoiled is that big a deal to you, then take the proper precations (including not going online) or tough jive. You can bitch and whine about people being dicks, but at the end of the day, you're the one who jumped on knowing the level of spoilers out there is extremely high. When you walk through a minefield, you don't get to bitch when you lose your leg.

[Zodberg]

Transformers animated by Deviant Art.

[The Predaking]

I don't want to be rude here, but if you're really jonsing for the surprise of whatever to not be spoiled for you, then I've a question.

What the hell are you doing on the internet?

I mean, come on, the internet itself is spoiler frikken central. If your panties get in that big of a bunch over spoilers, then stay the hug offline. Jumping online and then acting pissy when you're inevitebly spoiled is rediculous. If being spoiled is that big a deal to you, then take the proper precations (including not going online) or tough jive. You can bitch and whine about people being dicks, but at the end of the day, you're the one who jumped on knowing the level of spoilers out there is extremely high. When you walk through a minefield, you don't get to bitch when you lose your leg.

Allow me to paraphrase what you said. "If you walk through a bad neighborhood, its you own fault for getting shot!"

Seems to me that the person shooting is responsible, not the victim, so why the venom?

[Wingus]

I don't want to be rude here, but if you're really jonsing for the surprise of whatever to not be spoiled for you, then I've a question.

What the hell are you doing on the internet?

I mean, come on, the internet itself is spoiler frikken central. If your panties get in that big of a bunch over spoilers, then stay the hug offline. Jumping online and then acting pissy when you're inevitebly spoiled is rediculous. If being spoiled is that big a deal to you, then take the proper precations (including not going online) or tough jive. You can bitch and whine about people being dicks, but at the end of the day, you're the one who jumped on knowing the level of spoilers out there is extremely high. When you walk through a minefield, you don't get to bitch when you lose your leg.

Allow me to paraphrase what you said. "If you walk through a bad neighborhood, its you own fault for getting shot!"

Seems to me that the person shooting is responsible, not the victim, so why the venom?

It may be the shooter's fault, but you're not helping things by sticking your head into shootout central and saying "Hey what's going on in here?".

I've had a few conversations ruined because some of the people I talk to are very picky about what constitutes a spoiler for them.

Hey, now, I'm very selective in the topics about which I get picky. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-waspy.gif)

Phrasing that sentence was much harder than it should have been. I should probably sleep.

Wasn't referrin' to you, heh. You're reasonable about it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-arcee.gif)

This post has been edited by Wingus: Nov 24 2009, 02:46 PM

[Asquian]

so far we've seen posting spoilers compared to punching people in the face and shooting them.

Apparently if there's someone I don't like online, I should find spoilers for something they like and post em, it'll do em real harm!

[Nico Robin]

no, because I'm not a giant dork.

[Frost181]

whenever I tend to come across "big spoilers" I stop reading them as soon as it registers and as such the spoiled details I get aren''t quite right. either more things happen than I was lead to understand or they happen at totally different times or other such variances. recent examples I can think of are the original Gundam series and Bioshock. so the surprise is often kind of intact. guess I'm lucky.

[Donocropolis]

HIGHLIGHT to view:
Jesus dies in the bible.

Yeah, but he totally
HIGHLIGHT to view:
comes back to life. I swear, nobody stays dead anymore.

[Rhinox]

I don't want to be rude here, but if you're really jonsing for the surprise of whatever to not be spoiled for you, then I've a question.

What the hell are you doing on the internet?

I mean, come on, the internet itself is spoiler frikken central. If your panties get in that big of a bunch over spoilers, then stay the hug offline. Jumping online and then acting pissy when you're inevitebly spoiled is rediculous. If being spoiled is that big a deal to you, then take the proper precations (including not going online) or tough jive. You can bitch and whine about people being dicks, but at the end of the day, you're the one who jumped on knowing the level of spoilers out there is extremely high. When you walk through a minefield, you don't get to bitch when you lose your leg.

Allow me to paraphrase what you said. "If you walk through a bad neighborhood, its you own fault for getting shot!"

Seems to me that the person shooting is responsible, not the victim, so why the venom?

Considering I'm talking metaphorical mines that don't really blow off limbs, but rather just give you more information than you wanted, your attempt to throw a second metaphor on top of that is not only inappropriate, but it's completely inapplicable.

But you know, if you want to paint me as soulless douche just because I think it's your own damn fault you're spoiled while you're online, go for it.

EDIT:
you know, now that I think about it, why not take this a step further?

Going on the internet while waiting to see something you don't want to be spoiled on is like taking a willing walk through a minefield for no reason other than 'hey, it's there'. As such, any consequences of your own stupid action is entirely your own fault and has no bearing on the people throwing out the mines, especially when they are clearly marked as such. Though, at the same time, considering the minefield nature of the internet, you shouldn't be at all surprised if you do step on one not marked because that's the nature of this thing.



This post has been edited by Rhinox: Nov 24 2009, 04:55 PM