 Upgrade failures, Newer "better" versions of characters who were not better. |
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 Feb 25 2012, 11:16 AM
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 Guess who's back? Back again!  Group: Supporter Posts: 4,683 Joined: 14-March 05 From: Miami, Humidityville Member No.: 6,219  |
Energon Grimlock! Sigh.
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Feb 25 2012, 11:17 AM
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 Group: Citizen Posts: 1,358 Joined: 29-January 03 Member No.: 2,113 |
Universe/Classics Octane is a fairly big failure in all modes. Much like Galvatron, it just needed to be bigger for the design to work properly. I don't think it's a case of the triple changer gimmick getting in the way, as Astrotrain doesn't really bother me as a deluxe.
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Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM
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 ARMS UP!! \(^_^)/ Group: News and Content Posts: 12,141 Joined: 2-May 02 Member No.: 940 |
Classics Pretenders -- Simplified, bad alt modes, small, Bumblebee has Cliffjumper's head.
PM Optimus Prime is arguably worse than the original -- no die-cast (originally), 'bubbly' looking cab robot with less 'sharp' detail, weird unnecessary 'backwards' cab transformation, weird arms-in-the-air base, trailer lacks cohesiveness. But... it did combine, so depending on how much you value that mode, it may not be 'worse' overall. A lot of the new mold Robot Masters. I don't own any, but judging by what I've seen online, a lot of these were downgrades from the original toys, especially the Beast Wars ones. Convoy is awful too. The seeker mold was an improvement, but still not great. All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions... Transmetal 2 Cheetor and Transmetal 2 Dinobot. At the time, I thought TM Optimus Primal and TM Megatron were downgrades, as they were smaller and barely resembled their previous selves. Eventually, I came to appreciate them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-hotrod.gif) Cybertron Unicron. Hard to one-up a toy that is 90% homage to a fan favorite character with a toy that takes a lot more liberties and is a lot smaller. Energon Hotshot. Yuck. All the G2 "Classics" Go-Bots. G2 Power Master Ironhide. So very bad.... ROTF Voyager Starscream. An ugly mess--ugly tattoos, ugly arms, ugly everything. I'll take the first Voyager Starscream over this piece of crap any day... -------------------- (,>.<, ) ....******
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Feb 25 2012, 11:38 AM
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 Myastur Mispellur Group: Citizen Posts: 12,124 Joined: 12-January 02 From: TF Count 900+ Member No.: 246 Faction: Free Agent |
My only gripe about PMOP is his legs and feet theres simply alot of wasted plastic there for some great details to be added even if it was only stickers used.. and the weak trailer hitch
TM2 Cheetor I give you but TM2 Dinobot is a really nice sculpt Energon Hotshot is yuck But Cyb one and the red recolor are pure win lest we not forget the over powered CDF Hotshot G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is -------------------- Currently out of touch with reality watching tons of anime
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Feb 25 2012, 11:47 AM
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 I'm a Veronica man. Group: Citizen Posts: 2,645 Joined: 22-June 05 Member No.: 6,714 |
QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM)  All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions... I'd call Supreme Air Attack Optimus Primal an upgrade. Ain't no other Optimus Primal tells me where the seeds of the future are to be found laying. (Although I do know this toy was only released in RiD, not Beast Machines proper.) I also think Night Attack Cheetor is a BIG improvement over not just his Beast Machines toys but ALL his Beast Wars toys too. --Andrew S. (I'm sure there's others.) -------------------- |
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Feb 25 2012, 11:48 AM
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 Group: Citizen Posts: 12,125 Joined: 21-December 01 From: Martinsburg, WV Member No.: 53 Faction: RIBFIR |
BM Blackarachnia is a much better toy than the TM2. At least she can actually stand up under her own power without having to fiddle with balancing her backpack for half an hour.
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Feb 25 2012, 12:01 PM
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ARMS UP!! \(^_^)/ Group: News and Content Posts: 12,141 Joined: 2-May 02 Member No.: 940 |
QUOTE(tec @ Feb 25 2012, 11:38 AM) G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ironhide_%28G1%29/toys#Generation_2 -------------------- (,>.<, ) ....******
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Feb 25 2012, 03:00 PM
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 Suddenly, Batcure. Group: Supporter Posts: 18,849 Joined: 25-February 03 From: YES TOWN Member No.: 2,375 Faction: Lesbian Ninja |
HA Icepick isn't very good compared to his PCC counterpart.
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Feb 25 2012, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(Dante @ Feb 25 2012, 09:56 AM) QUOTE I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't an upgrade of the original Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse. Thank you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-hotrod.gif) -------------------- "Someone once told me that Time is a predator that stalked us all our lives, but I'd rather believe that Time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment -- because they'll never come again."
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Feb 25 2012, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions... Maybe Blackarachnia. This post has been edited by mignash: Feb 25 2012, 06:13 PM |
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Feb 25 2012, 06:26 PM
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 Cutsey - Wootsey, Timey - Wimey Group: Supporter Posts: 4,134 Joined: 26-December 01 From: Toronto Member No.: 143 Faction: Decepticon |
QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 25 2012, 06:12 PM) QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions... Maybe Blackarachnia. Except for her giant water-ski feet! --------------------  When you collect MISB/OSC, you're not collecting figures you're collecting boxes! |
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Feb 25 2012, 07:12 PM
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Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?
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Feb 25 2012, 07:42 PM
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 Soundwave is colorblind Group: Citizen Posts: 4,323 Joined: 20-November 03 Member No.: 3,948 Faction: RIBFIR |
QUOTE(Fear or Courage @ Feb 25 2012, 08:12 PM) Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime? Or PRID Bumblebee compared to FE Bumblebee? Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better. Transmetal II Cheetor wasn't nearly as good as Transmetal Cheetor. I would also say that Optimus Primal got progressively worse for several toys in a row; Ultra, Transmetal, Optimal, BM Deluxe. --------------------  |
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Feb 26 2012, 12:51 AM
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I'm a Veronica man. Group: Citizen Posts: 2,645 Joined: 22-June 05 Member No.: 6,714 |
QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 25 2012, 07:42 PM) Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better. I'd call it a lateral move. The original Bumblebee has some serious problems -- especially with being delicate and not standing up to play wear very well. Bumblebees with heads that won't stay up are a very common problem. Goldbug definitely has a less engaging transformation -- but he's WAY more robust and his extra gimmick is SERIOUS fun. I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid. --Andrew S. -------------------- |
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Feb 26 2012, 12:57 AM
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 Ol' 55 Group: Citizen Posts: 1,912 Joined: 5-November 02 From: OH Member No.: 1,674 |
QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 26 2012, 05:51 AM) I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid. I played with Bumblebee more, because while you could take Goldbug's car-trunk-hoodie off for battle damage, you could easily take off Bumblebee's feet and legs. Battle damage potential was a big deal to me when I was a kid. (On topic: Mirage is not better than Tidal Wave.) |
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Feb 26 2012, 01:21 AM
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 evil bisshie Group: Citizen Posts: 2,924 Joined: 1-November 02 From: Tokyo Member No.: 1,663 |
I like the G1 vehicle modes better for most CHUGs, etc. I much prefer toys that are a pretty good match for actual vehicles rather than lawyer-safe, made-up vehicles (even though I understand the need for them). I like classic vehicles better than modern ones for the most part, anyway. You'd never see me buying the new Fairlady Z.
Plus there are characters who had their very own mold in G1/G2 but are just a repaint/remold in the modern era (even if the newer toy has better engineering). I understand the need for this as well, but I'm not going to start selling off my G1 collection after getting each "upgrade". |
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Feb 26 2012, 01:44 AM
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 Group: Supporter Posts: 4,527 Joined: 18-July 03 From: Australia Member No.: 3,210 Faction: Autobot |
Universe 2.0 Prowl.
The Legends version kicks the crap out of it. That's not right. |
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Feb 26 2012, 03:25 AM
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 Quyzbuk Group: Supporter Posts: 12,945 Joined: 22-May 02 From: Toronto Member No.: 1,017 Faction: Autobot |
Guido has managed to not only redeem the Classic Pretender Legends figures, but make me actively miss the ones I had.
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Feb 26 2012, 09:57 AM
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 Cyber Key Power...linx! Group: Citizen Posts: 7,172 Joined: 14-January 02 Member No.: 355 |
I... I suddenly want that Japanese BM Silverbolt.
I must have one. -------------------- Click to visit Cybertron Philippines, the biggest Filipino Transformers fan community!  |
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Feb 26 2012, 10:02 AM
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Suddenly, Batcure. Group: Supporter Posts: 18,849 Joined: 25-February 03 From: YES TOWN Member No.: 2,375 Faction: Lesbian Ninja |
QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 26 2012, 01:44 AM) Universe 2.0 Prowl. The Legends version kicks the crap out of it. That's not right. Sure it is! Legends Prowl is awesome. -------------------- QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus. QUOTE(mx-01 archon @ Sep 9 2012, 01:53 PM) You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark. |
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