Why do G1 theme series omit G2?, Comics but maybe not just comics Options

[gargunkle]

The new ReGeneration 1 got me thinking about this. What was so wrong with the G2 comic that all (or maybe nearly all) uses of the comic setting since then have omitted G2? Granted it's been a while since I read it... did G2 leave everyone important dead, or something?

May be better suited to the comic section but I think there are uses of the setting besides comics. Maybe!

[Bug-Saw]

Because G2 wasn't canon.

[NightViper]

Well, Classicsverse was because of the character selection presented in the toy line. Optimus Prime, Hot Rod, Mirage, Grimlock, Jetfire, Starscream, Ramjet, Megatron... mostly Megatron... were all the G1 versions of those characters (not to mention G2 killed a good number of them off). So it made more sense to continue on after G1 rather than try to make it fit after G2.

For RGO, it's my understanding that it will address the many stories left untold when the Marvel run ended. Stories that Simon has been wanting to go back and tell. Stories that fit in after G1 but not G2, since that is where they were originally going to be told.

So I don't think anyone is purposefully avoiding G2, it's just that due to the decisions made G2 didn't fit in with the stories that they wanted to tell.

[NICKSAUR]

The Earth, particularly San Francisco is a wasteland.

[Walky]

Well, Classicsverse was because of the character selection presented in the toy line. Optimus Prime, Hot Rod, Mirage, Grimlock, Jetfire, Starscream, Ramjet, Megatron... mostly Megatron... were all the G1 versions of those characters (not to mention G2 killed a good number of them off). So it made more sense to continue on after G1 rather than try to make it fit after G2.

Well, it's not like the comics had a history of bringing back dead characters who got new toys.

Frankly, with the current Classicsverse status quo, I find the earlier "G2 didn't happen in this because it messes up the world too much" even more difficult to accept.

[Bass X0]

Personally, I'd have fit #81 - #100 between G1 #80 and G2 #1.

I'd move G2 forward in chronology so that there is more time in the universe to tell a story. There was nothing in the comics placing it squarely in the early nineties was there?

#100 would have a definitive ending still and you wouldn't need to read G2 to understand what was going on. G2 would be more like "the ongoing adventures of the Transformers continue and this other stuff happened a few weeks/months later after #100".

Sure, I'd be limiting myself on the freedom - I couldn't kill off Red Alert since he dies later in G2 for example. But I find it more interesting to work within set parameters. The story would still have suspense - okay, we know Red Alert won't die but then he wouldn't find himself in a situation where there is a possibility of him dying - other characters not featured in G2 would.

Frankly, with the current Classicsverse status quo, I find the earlier "G2 didn't happen in this because it messes up the world too much" even more difficult to accept.

Plus its more interesting when the world is messed up.

This post has been edited by Bass X0: May 8 2012, 01:41 PM

[ExVee]

Except for Quake.

I mean, obviously.

[Starfield]

The cover to Generation 2 #1 says it all. "THIS IS NOT YOUR FATHER’S AUTOBOT."

Who am I to argue? G2 is its own thing. It isn't issue #81. It is the second generation of Transformers storytelling.

This post has been edited by Starfield: May 8 2012, 03:21 PM

[Axaday]

Why do G1 theme series omit G2?

Same reason Civil War stories omit World War 1.

The Earth, particularly San Francisco is a wasteland.

Some parts of San Francisco are kinda nice.

[D.M]

Problem with G2 comics is that they suffered greatly from 90's extreme BS.

This post has been edited by D.M: May 8 2012, 03:40 PM

[Fortress Ironhol...]

Problem with G2 comics is that they suffered greatly from 90's extreme BS.

Pretty much.

The comic was literally at the point in which they were bringing characters back just to go kill them off in an effort to make the conflict seem more "gritty" and "real".

It'd have been one thing to, say, whack Chase and Brawn in order to show how powerful Megatron was, Skullgrin himself to show off Jihaxus, and one or two guys in the final battle.

Instead, we had what - 80+ deaths over the course of 16 issues, including a number of guys who either had toys on the shelves or were slated to have toys on the shelves?

[ZacWilliam1]

1) G2 was "of it's era" definitely. Very, very 90s ish.

2) It blew up it's world too much, killing too many characters and destroying too much setting.

3) It left large and very definate loose ends that any series after would have to deal with.

4) It changed G1 characters and introduced characters that are not "G1 based" to the extent that it is disconected as a G1 sequel.


-ZacWilliam, add 'em together and you get a tangent that's often left behind, despite its many good points IMO.

[Destron D-69]

I've always been more interested in whether Machine Wars:

Follows G2, Proceeds g2, is its own thing like g2, follows g1, leads into Beastwars.

[ZacWilliam1]

I've always been more interested in whether Machine Wars:

Follows G2, Proceeds g2, is its own thing like g2, follows g1, leads into Beastwars.

I've always been a bit surprised that Fun Pub and the Fanclub never grabbed MW and ran with it.

I mean it's SUCH a cypher you could do pretty near anything.


-ZacWilliam, I mean it doesn't even have packaging copy blurbs. THAT'S a blank slate.

[Axaday]

I've always been more interested in whether Machine Wars:

Follows G2, Proceeds g2, is its own thing like g2, follows g1, leads into Beastwars.

I've always just looked at it as an alternate continuity.

[Bass X0]

I've always been more interested in whether Machine Wars:

Follows G2, Proceeds g2, is its own thing like g2, follows g1, leads into Beastwars.

I've always just looked at it as an alternate continuity.

Same. G1 characters but a different origin to their awakening on Earth.

Machine Wars Soundwave later becomes Universe Soundwave.

[Thylacine2000]

Nothing important happened in G2. It was a pretty flat and very soon-dated over-the-top '90s story that never really led to anything else. And for the most part, the characters were G1 characters. It's just an obstacle to storytelling now, so why not supplant it?

[gargunkle]

I would be open to some MW fiction. Comics, whatever.

I don't necessarily feel that we need updated MW toys or anything. But then again:

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[ZacWilliam1]

Nothing important happened in G2.

The entire Earth was decimated... multiple times. An entire new galaxy-spanning faction was introduced, including the frequently recurring Jhiaxus. The TFs came into conflict with one of the 13 for the first time. A good swath of name characters were killed. Megatron was revived. Starscream was rewritten to be a hero. The Autobots and Decepticons united forces. The Vok were created.

I mean you can berate it for being terribly 90s all you want, that's true. But LOADS of important stuff happened.


-ZacWilliam, stuff that remains important all this time later and in other continuities...

This post has been edited by ZacWilliam1: May 8 2012, 05:51 PM

[Walky]

I'd move G2 forward in chronology so that there is more time in the universe to tell a story. There was nothing in the comics placing it squarely in the early nineties was there?

Well, the G.I. Joe folks aren't old and gray, so that limits things a bit.

Plus generally when one wants to tell a bunch of Transformers stories, they want to use Megatron and Starscream. With them being broken up inside the Ark up in the Yukon, that limits a lot of things. Unless, uh, somehow they come out of the Ark, there are a bunch of stories, then they go back there to nap later, and then... go say hi to Cobra! ...who somehow aren't super old by then.