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 Nov 5 2009, 02:56 PM
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 Would you kindly..? Group: Citizen Posts: 2,179 Joined: 21-December 01 From: Baton Rouge, LA Member No.: 44 Faction: Maximal  |
iWon is lots of fun if you love spyware. My Mom and I had that discussion once when I had to clear it all off her computer.
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Nov 5 2009, 03:01 PM
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 Who on earth let me take home a baby? Group: Citizen Posts: 1,486 Joined: 21-June 07 Member No.: 10,345 Faction: Free Agent |
QUOTE(Slander @ Nov 5 2009, 01:56 PM)  iWon is lots of fun if you love spyware. My Mom and I had that discussion once when I had to clear it all off her computer. That's what makes it gambling. --------------------  |
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Nov 5 2009, 03:12 PM
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 Real oldschool Group: Citizen Posts: 2,803 Joined: 21-December 01 From: Miami Member No.: 62 Faction: Free Agent |
It's a malfunction that the machine displayed $166 million, not that he actually won a jackpot. He deserves the minimum, in the very least. What are they going to claim, that their slot machines are malfunctioning when someone actually wins?
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Nov 5 2009, 07:32 PM
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Group: Citizen Posts: 113 Joined: 19-August 09 Member No.: 12,740 Faction: Decepticon |
the man won. give him his hugging money.
it's the Casino's fault. If they have a problem, they can take it up with the company that produced the faulty slot machine, but the man won. I don't give a damn how much the payout was supposed to be, I don't give a damn if the machine malfunctioned. when you rely on a machine for a large part of your earnings, you have to understand that machines fail. And when they do, you have to prepare yourself for that outcome. this is why they have INSURANCE he won. Pay up. |
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Nov 5 2009, 08:18 PM
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 Wants Coffee, Dammit Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 20,375 Joined: 12-January 02 From: Sanghelios Member No.: 244 Faction: Decepticon |
Even if the malfunction displayed more than the maximum prize for those machines, I could see using a malfuction as a reason to not give him the full amount displayed, but he should at least receive the maximum prize.
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Nov 6 2009, 03:57 AM
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Christian Group: Citizen Posts: 1,236 Joined: 18-January 03 Member No.: 1,981 Faction: Decepticon |
I've never been to a casino before, I'd like to go someday and play 100 bucks or so just for the heck of it
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Nov 6 2009, 07:05 AM
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 Happiness is just a phase... Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 5,908 Joined: 16-September 02 From: Rentz, Ga Member No.: 1,491 Faction: Free Agent |
QUOTE(Crazy Drummer© @ Nov 6 2009, 03:57 AM) I've never been to a casino before, I'd like to go someday and play 100 bucks or so just for the heck of it http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoest...amblingasin.htm I don't think God wants you to gamble. --------------------   |
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Nov 6 2009, 07:57 AM
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 Quickman...The love child of Elec Man and Cut Man. On Crack. Group: Citizen Posts: 3,310 Joined: 1-December 03 From: Pittsburgh PA Member No.: 3,981 |
I don't think he stands a snowball's chance in hell to get the 166 million These Slots are probably documented out the wazoo, and all it will take for them in court to prove the 166 million is a dud is to get the source code and somebody skilled enough on the stand to explain it to 12 likely non-computerized people. I've dabbled in coding, so when I read the story, I was thinking to my self 'all those repeating sixes looks to me like a default error amonunt, or something similar.
Also: We don't know what the guy's line combination was. Could turn out the combination he hit on the slots was good for only a few bucks. I'd say if he won anything, pay him back that. If what he won was a sizeable jackpot, then double or triple it since the casino was being an ass about it. -------------------- When you find yourself standing on the brink of surrender, know that many in the past faced trials such as your own, but overcame them with their great conviction. No matter the greatness of your desperation, the failures of your efforts, or the injustice of your treatment, at least a few men have stared into the same challenges and emerged victorious from these tests. Such men are not only a great source of inspiration, but also the very foundation upon which modern society rests. From lyric booklet of 'Starfall' by Dragonland The mind. It boggles. QUOTE(Alvatron!) ...what's a comicon without a roomful of drunken comic geeks singing showtunes to DDR? |
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Nov 6 2009, 11:08 AM
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 When a robot says it, you go "whoa." Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 20,772 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Central Illinois Member No.: 4,293 Faction: Autobot |
This is a tough situation. The casino can't just settle, because then they set a precedent that every faulty machine or payout at least nets the customer something. But they don't want him to bitch too terribly loudly about it to the press, because most people just think that because the machine says he won, that means he should get something.
Think about faulty pricing on Amazon, where occasionally people find they can get big plasma screen TVs or Blu-ray players for like ten cents or something crazy. Just because you buy it at that price doesn't mean that Amazon has to honor that sale - it's been long-declared in legal precedent that if the price is a mistake, either human or technical, the store is not required to sell at that price. If it's a small thing, or just a few people, they might do so anyway, but that's a PR move, not a legal one. This is no different. I'm sure there's forensics they can run on the machine to find out what happened. If they can determine that the jackpot was legit and the amount wasn't, then yeah, they'll probably pay him that amount. Then again, if the machine is faulty in one way, I'm not sure how they'd be sure it wasn't faulty in other ways. As far as the only way to win being not to play, that's true. Gambling should never be seen as a moneymaking opportunity. Only poker, blackjack, and craps are games you're mathematically capable of consistently making money at, and blackjack and craps are still just short of 50-50 if you play the games with perfect strategy - which is really hard to do. And poker, well, the house still wins because they take a rake, the real winnings come from the other players. Gambling money should be seen as entertainment expense. Treating it like an investment is when you run into problems. I like Roulette, too, just because it's fun. But I know the $50 I set down on that table is gone the instant it hits the felt. If I walk away with *anything* it's a win. Proper perspective on it can make gambling fun. -------------------- |
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Nov 6 2009, 11:27 AM
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Not good at Empathy, how about some sarcasm? Group: Citizen Posts: 3,306 Joined: 26-September 06 From: Fort Lauderdale, FL Member No.: 9,020 Faction: Unicron's Spawn |
QUOTE(Galenraff @ Nov 6 2009, 11:08 AM) Think about faulty pricing on Amazon, where occasionally people find they can get big plasma screen TVs or Blu-ray players for like ten cents or something crazy. Just because you buy it at that price doesn't mean that Amazon has to honor that sale - it's been long-declared in legal precedent that if the price is a mistake, either human or technical, the store is not required to sell at that price. If it's a small thing, or just a few people, they might do so anyway, but that's a PR move, not a legal one. This is no different. Yes, but when Amazon makes a mistake or something on their end breaks.. they at least offer your money back or the option to cancel the sale. The casino is saying 'well the machine malfunctioned... we know it was our fault, therefore you never had a legitimate chance of winning, and not only are we not going to pay you what the machine said you won, we're keeping your money... piss off" |
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Nov 6 2009, 11:36 AM
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Happiness is just a phase... Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 5,908 Joined: 16-September 02 From: Rentz, Ga Member No.: 1,491 Faction: Free Agent |
Aren't there truth in advertising laws that would likely apply in a situation like this?
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Nov 6 2009, 11:46 AM
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When a robot says it, you go "whoa." Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 20,772 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Central Illinois Member No.: 4,293 Faction: Autobot |
QUOTE(Glenn @ Nov 6 2009, 10:27 AM) QUOTE(Galenraff @ Nov 6 2009, 11:08 AM) Think about faulty pricing on Amazon, where occasionally people find they can get big plasma screen TVs or Blu-ray players for like ten cents or something crazy. Just because you buy it at that price doesn't mean that Amazon has to honor that sale - it's been long-declared in legal precedent that if the price is a mistake, either human or technical, the store is not required to sell at that price. If it's a small thing, or just a few people, they might do so anyway, but that's a PR move, not a legal one. This is no different. Yes, but when Amazon makes a mistake or something on their end breaks.. they at least offer your money back or the option to cancel the sale. The casino is saying 'well the machine malfunctioned... we know it was our fault, therefore you never had a legitimate chance of winning, and not only are we not going to pay you what the machine said you won, we're keeping your money... piss off" If the machine malfunctioned, wouldn't that specifically NOT be the casino's fault? And I do believe they should give him his money back if the machine turned out to be faulty. If they can find the point of failure, give him his money back to that point. Otherwise the whole session if they know how much he played for, since it's now known the machine was faulty. It might be shady if the only investigation done is internal. But generally these things are controlled pretty well by state agencies. Bear in mind, I still have no experience with this - just what I've seen on TV shows relating to casino technology and security, as well as thinking about this compared to other industries and how they handle malfunctions. I could be completely off base. I just find it hard to think that sitting in front of a broken machine (even if no one knew it was broken at the time) entitles the guy to millions. -------------------- |
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Nov 6 2009, 11:54 AM
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Christian Group: Citizen Posts: 1,236 Joined: 18-January 03 Member No.: 1,981 Faction: Decepticon |
QUOTE(-VP- @ Nov 6 2009, 07:05 AM) QUOTE(Crazy Drummer© @ Nov 6 2009, 03:57 AM) I've never been to a casino before, I'd like to go someday and play 100 bucks or so just for the heck of it http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoest...amblingasin.htm I don't think God wants you to gamble. Then he shouldn't have gave me money to blow on what ever I want (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-waspy.gif) |
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 Nov 6 2009, 03:05 PM
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Would you kindly..? Group: Citizen Posts: 2,179 Joined: 21-December 01 From: Baton Rouge, LA Member No.: 44 Faction: Maximal |
QUOTE(Galenraff @ Nov 6 2009, 10:46 AM) I just find it hard to think that sitting in front of a broken machine (even if no one knew it was broken at the time) entitles the guy to millions. This seems to be where you and I disagree with the majority of the thread. The guy isn't entitled to jack, aside from maybe a refund of credits played in at the time of the malfunction ($4) and any unplayed credits he had left in the machine, which he probably already got. At my casino, it was policy to immediately cash a customer out upon winning huge jackpots so we could then take the machine offline and perform our diagnostics. The malfunction may have made immediate cash-out impossible. However, if he was using his player card, it shouldn't be too hard to figure that out. When it comes right down to it, we're lacking a lot of data here and the article doesn't seem to have much information on the casino's side. This is to be expected at this stage; the casino wouldn't want to say too much about an investigation that was ongoing. -------------------- |
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Nov 6 2009, 03:06 PM
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 Zomg! Omg! Group: Citizen Posts: 2,775 Joined: 21-January 09 From: Boccopolis Member No.: 12,241 Faction: Free Agent |
If the machine was malfunctioning to give him a win, could it have also been malfunctioning during his or other players' losses?
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Nov 6 2009, 03:11 PM
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When a robot says it, you go "whoa." Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 20,772 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Central Illinois Member No.: 4,293 Faction: Autobot |
QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ Nov 6 2009, 02:06 PM) If the machine was malfunctioning to give him a win, could it have also been malfunctioning during his or other players' losses? It's sure a possibility, and probably something they'll look into. -------------------- |
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Nov 6 2009, 03:20 PM
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Zomg! Omg! Group: Citizen Posts: 2,775 Joined: 21-January 09 From: Boccopolis Member No.: 12,241 Faction: Free Agent |
It'd be kinda funny if they say they looked into it and gave some other dude prize money so they save face and screw over this guy at the same time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-fire.gif)
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Nov 6 2009, 05:09 PM
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Would you kindly..? Group: Citizen Posts: 2,179 Joined: 21-December 01 From: Baton Rouge, LA Member No.: 44 Faction: Maximal |
QUOTE(Bocc Kob @ Nov 6 2009, 02:06 PM) If the machine was malfunctioning to give him a win, could it have also been malfunctioning during his or other players' losses? A slot machine records every spin on its hard drive. I'm sure they're scouring that data thoroughly. -------------------- |
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