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 May 9 2012, 03:43 PM
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 Commissions! cheetimus@cheetimus.com Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 33,966 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Baltimore Member No.: 1,895 Faction: RIBFIR  |
Black isn't going anywhere as she's an easy woman on the team. Hawkeye is far more important to Avengers mythos than some really understand.
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May 9 2012, 03:56 PM
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#342
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 Group: Citizen Posts: 5,154 Joined: 18-September 08 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,998 |
Getting back to this movie, it really was pretty damn smart to brainwash Hawkeye for most of the movie. It allowed him to show off without being in the shadow of the other heroes, and it allowed the narrative to cut from the good guy camp to the bad guy's machinations without technically taking all the Avengers off the screen.
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May 9 2012, 04:01 PM
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 Yes, me. Me, me, me. Me too!  Group: Supporter Posts: 25,136 Joined: 22-December 04 From: Huntington, WV Member No.: 5,666 Faction: Autobot |
And a likely nod to the fact that he started out as a villain in comics.
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May 9 2012, 04:11 PM
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 Hawksaur Group: Supporter Posts: 7,914 Joined: 10-December 04 Member No.: 5,603 |
QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ May 9 2012, 03:43 PM)  Black isn't going anywhere as she's an easy woman on the team. Hawkeye is far more important to Avengers mythos than some really understand. Honestly. Cutting these characters loose because they aren't super powered gods is a frustrating idea. Their characters DO matter. Also, I'd just like to point out that Avengers DID become an insert special guest star series before Bendis disassembled them. I mean, Jack of Hearts? With Whedon at the helm and left unmolested by studios, I think we could get a great deal of past Avengers in one movie without it being a jive storm. --------------------  |
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May 9 2012, 04:37 PM
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 Get some! Group: Owner Posts: 51,545 Joined: 13-December 01 Member No.: 1 Faction: Cannonball's Pirate Crew |
Hawkeye didn't have jack crap to do with the Avengers when I was reading it. I never liked that guy.
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May 9 2012, 04:42 PM
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Commissions! cheetimus@cheetimus.com Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 33,966 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Baltimore Member No.: 1,895 Faction: RIBFIR |
QUOTE(Kalidor @ May 9 2012, 05:37 PM) Hawkeye didn't have jack crap to do with the Avengers when I was reading it. I never liked that guy. Why? He's a great cockey guy without actually being a douche. He's got GREAT leadership skills when he's allowed to shine and he's skilled as all hell especially since he had special training from Cap when brought on as part of the second line up of Avengers. Hawkeye is a great character with crap loads of history. Also, which Avengers were you reading? For some reason I think he may have been leading the Thunderbolts when you were reading it. -------------------- |
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May 9 2012, 04:50 PM
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Group: Citizen Posts: 5,154 Joined: 18-September 08 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 11,998 |
QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ May 9 2012, 02:42 PM) Also, which Avengers were you reading? For some reason I think he may have been leading the Thunderbolts when you were reading it. I hope it was that period, because the other two recent eras without Hawkeye (pre-The Crossing and post-Disassembled) were dire times for Avengers comics indeed. Anyone who wants to learn how to quickly love Hawkeye need only read Kurt Busiek stories, including the relaunched Avengers series from 1999 and, as Cheets mentioned, Thunderbolts from issue #20 on. That's what did it for me. -------------------- This week at Comic Critics!: Like a Brit out of Hell
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May 9 2012, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ May 9 2012, 01:43 PM) Black isn't going anywhere as she's an easy woman on the team.. Don't tell Pepper. |
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May 9 2012, 05:37 PM
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Commissions! cheetimus@cheetimus.com Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 33,966 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Baltimore Member No.: 1,895 Faction: RIBFIR |
QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ May 9 2012, 05:50 PM) QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ May 9 2012, 02:42 PM) Also, which Avengers were you reading? For some reason I think he may have been leading the Thunderbolts when you were reading it. I hope it was that period, because the other two recent eras without Hawkeye (pre-The Crossing and post-Disassembled) were dire times for Avengers comics indeed. Anyone who wants to learn how to quickly love Hawkeye need only read Kurt Busiek stories, including the relaunched Avengers series from 1999 and, as Cheets mentioned, Thunderbolts from issue #20 on. That's what did it for me. Yeah, I'm not saying Kalidor is wrong for his opinion I just don't get it and would like to know more of why. -------------------- |
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May 9 2012, 05:47 PM
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Get some! Group: Owner Posts: 51,545 Joined: 13-December 01 Member No.: 1 Faction: Cannonball's Pirate Crew |
Well for one, I've always though archery based super heroes were stupid. And for two, I don't remember when, it was the early 300s. I really didn't have that many Avengers comics but none of them have Hawkeye in them.
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May 9 2012, 05:50 PM
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Commissions! cheetimus@cheetimus.com Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 33,966 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Baltimore Member No.: 1,895 Faction: RIBFIR |
Hawkeye isn't as archery doofy as Green Arrow, if that makes sense. His trick arrows make sense, like in the movie, and he's not entirely dependent on that skill set, it's more that it's his favorite.. Plus the character himself really shines. I'd give him another shot if I were you.
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May 9 2012, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ May 9 2012, 03:50 PM) . I'd give him another shot if I were you. Hahaha,.....ya I'm a dork. |
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May 9 2012, 06:40 PM
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Yes, me. Me, me, me. Me too! Group: Supporter Posts: 25,136 Joined: 22-December 04 From: Huntington, WV Member No.: 5,666 Faction: Autobot |
QUOTE(Kalidor @ May 9 2012, 06:47 PM) Well for one, I've always though archery based super heroes were stupid. And for two, I don't remember when, it was the early 300s. I really didn't have that many Avengers comics but none of them have Hawkeye in them. As someone who took archery in college, I am deeply offended! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon-fire.gif) -------------------- |
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May 9 2012, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(TrapDoor @ May 9 2012, 03:16 PM) QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 9 2012, 11:27 AM) On the subject of adding cast members... I think a future movie could easily do without Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury, Hulk or and any given one of the Cap/Thor/Iron Man trinity. Ctainly a couple could get by with Pepper Pots style cameos. It's not really an avengers movie at this point, it's an "insert hero here with special guest star" movie. Not true at all. The Avengers have had SO many lineups and so many key important members in their existance there is certainly cause and need to sound them more deeply. And their presence is no less core to an Avengers film then those used thus far. -ZacWilliam, certainly I'm in no hurry to upset the cart, but still major and important Averngers are almost certainly likely to, and welcome, to and necessary to, come in if the franchise continues, and certainly an Avengers film, as the Avengers comic before it would easily weather the changing of some guards, if those captaining the ship stear it as true as they did this time. -------------------- Ever wonder about the speed of Turbofoxes?
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May 9 2012, 08:59 PM
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 Guess who's back? Back again! Group: Supporter Posts: 4,683 Joined: 14-March 05 From: Miami, Humidityville Member No.: 6,219 |
I've heard a rumor/fan speculation that Agent Coulson is/will become Vision.
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May 9 2012, 10:23 PM
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Group: Citizen Posts: 7,898 Joined: 31-January 04 From: Ct. USA Member No.: 4,093 Faction: RIRFIB |
Lots and lots of options: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Avengers_members -ZacWilliam, even if you cull it to say half the members staying long enough to be considered really CORE Avenger... Even a third or fourth... thats a lot of "major" Avengers on the potential list. -------------------- Ever wonder about the speed of Turbofoxes?
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May 9 2012, 11:51 PM
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Get some! Group: Owner Posts: 51,545 Joined: 13-December 01 Member No.: 1 Faction: Cannonball's Pirate Crew |
What we need is a Joss Wedon live action Avengers tv show
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May 10 2012, 01:25 AM
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 I brought the Glow Sticks! Group: Supporter Posts: 4,391 Joined: 25-October 04 From: Longview, WA Member No.: 5,224 Faction: Maximal |
QUOTE(Confuzor @ May 9 2012, 06:59 PM) I've heard a rumor/fan speculation that Agent Coulson is/will become Vision. I don't really have a problem with this. As weirdly robotic Coulson could be at times, ya I could see Tony working something up. Though hopefully they would put in Pym to build him. -------------------- |
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May 10 2012, 02:29 AM
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Loved every minute of it.
If these characters aren't working out for people individually at the movies then team ups might and by that I mean new introductions in the next movies like Gray Hulk and She Hulk in the next hulk movie, giant man and Wasp in Iron Man 3, Carol Danvers in Captain America 2 and so on. This post has been edited by tigerhawk: May 10 2012, 05:56 AM -------------------- |
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May 10 2012, 02:31 AM
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Commissions! cheetimus@cheetimus.com Group: Forum Moderator Posts: 33,966 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Baltimore Member No.: 1,895 Faction: RIBFIR |
Just as long as it never reverts to Earth's Mightiest Leather Jackets.
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